Posted on 09/13/2024 9:20:10 PM PDT by ransomnote
The article confirms that Western resources are used to fire HIMARS in the Ukraine, contrary to this evening's dispute on FR. Putin correctly said such Western resources are needed to fire HIMARS, and long-range HIMARS fired deep within Russia would necessarily be fired by Western assets.For more than a year now, Russia has been jamming HIMAR systems to make them far less effective. The Ukrainians have been using medium range HIMARS (US programmed the rockets to limit range) for quite some time, and they're still losing the war. This noise about 'give us long-range HIMARS' doesn't increase their effectiveness. What the West, and the Ukraine want, is another way to try to provoke war with Russia.
Bkmk
Confirming what pretty much everyone knows. Ukraine just does not have the capabilities to target and fire these sophisticated weapons systems. Heck, they can’t even fly F-16s without crashing.
The Ukraine conflict is the gift that keeps on giving.
That was a major setback for the Ukrainians.
Once you know the input frequency and bandwidth of a system it can be jammed. It might be difficult but a large enough Power/Aperture product can saturate the front-end receiver pretty much making it a basic unguided missile. And the Russians love to build jammers with tones of multi-banded TWTS o them.
It’s not “the” Ukraine. Please stop referring to as such. I’m not sure why it irritates the hell out of me when I see this but it does.
“It’s not “the” Ukraine. Please stop referring to as such. I’m not sure why it irritates the hell out of me when I see this but it does.”
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Maybe “a Ukraine”? Just kidding. “The Ukraine” was how Ukraine was referred to back when it was part of the USSR.
Propaganda
“The article confirms that Western resources are used to fire HIMARS in the Ukraine, contrary to this evening’s dispute on FR.”
It’s dumb to have arguments with Operatives as they also know FULL WELL that real-time targeting and routing information is being used in Ukraine, which means Full-Scale Western Involvement (a little Zeeper lingo there).
The only question left is how far into the firing process the Western involvement goes. Do they simply email targets and routing information to the Ukrainians and let Ukraine do the rest, or are Westerners (meaning mostly Americans) also on the other end, entering the data and issuing the commands to fire? One thing also for sure, Westerners have to be in Ukraine to at least maintain the systems and call back home when they have issues.
To compare it to something from the past, it’s difficult to imagine that the US would have limited World War 3 to Cuba if Soviet spokesmen had insisted that the Soviet Union did nothing more than deliver nukes to Castro.
The only question left here is whether Russia does something to put the West out of their self-created misery, or instead does something more ‘asymmetric’ and thus less destructive. I guess we’ll be finding out, since the Democrats (and Operatives) would rather start WW3 than lose the election.
Pretty simplistic comment, so the Russian aircraft lost to “technical”
Issues and self admitted friendly fire means the Russians are on point?
2 1/2 years into the “SMO” and Russia has not accomplished even one of their goals, yet its Ukrainians that are incompetent.
Interesting take
Provoke war?
Seems Russia has already started a war, they are just hoping and praying that the west does stay out of it officially.
Ask the residents of Kursk how well Russia is doing
I also noticed that the weapons are performing so poorly that the Russians have evacuated any airbase within range of these “useless” weapons, will see how the react to the 500 kilometer range “useless” ones
BTW, measures, countermeasures, counter countermeasures…. Is how war goes
Would two articles on the same topic in Six minutes constitute “spamming” of FR?
Good for the goose….
Yes. When Russia faces off against NATO, they won’t have any weapons systems that surprise them. They will have a battle hardened force that can effectively neutralize the best weapons systems the West has to offer.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled HIMARS Rockets ‘Increasingly Less Effective’: U.S. and Ukraine Face Fast Improving Russian Countermeasures , blitz128 wrote: Would two articles on the same topic in Six minutes constitute “spamming” of FR?
Good for the goose….Did you post that when FR was filled with Trump assasination threads?
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled HIMARS Rockets ‘Increasingly Less Effective’: U.S. and Ukraine Face Fast Improving Russian Countermeasures , blitz128 wrote: Provoke war?
Seems Russia has already started a war, they are just hoping and praying that the west does stay out of it officially.Ask the residents of Kursk how well Russia is doing
I also noticed that the weapons are performing so poorly that the Russians have evacuated any airbase within range of these “useless” weapons, will see how the react to the 500 kilometer range “useless” ones
BTW, measures, countermeasures, counter countermeasures…. Is how war goes
Our State Department and CIA overthrew the Ukraine in 2014 to use it as a proxy in their war against Putin. Since invading Ukrainian troops were firing on civilians, ambulances, firetrucks etc., civilians were evacuated, and the Kursk attackers were declared 'terrorists'. Putin is, at his leisure, picking off Ukrainians at a rate acceptable to him.
The weapons are not 'useless' in creating damage for those which escape jamming - jamming doesn't disarm them. But the HIMARS will not change the fact that the Ukraine is losing the war. The only true use for HIMARS is to provoke Russia into war with the West directly.
Once NATO took control of the Ukraine, Russia annexed a region along the border. The Western Ukrainians have been firing on Eastern Ukraine for years now. NATO built and trained an army in the Ukraine to fight and die on their behalf, under their control, and it's NATO's decision to fight down to the last Ukrainian.
Mexican TV reports that dozens of U.S. AT-4 weapons systems, which were originally shipped to Ukraine, have been purchased by Cartel Golfo in Mexico.
Citizen Press citing Mexican News TV ^ | 6/1/2023Posted on 6/1/2023, 5:07:08 AM by Mount Athos
Got it, your talking points are noted
I am not the one who complains that zeepers are “spamming “ FR, just made an observation
But you knew that
You posted what is an informative and thought provoking thread.
The HIMARS was developed for US and formal treaty Allies. All the allies we sell this system to are expected to under a US ADA umbrella. Ukraine is an exception.
Ukraine had adequate ADA for a NATO envisioned conflict. Short in duration.
The HIMARS does terrible damage. But it is big and distinctive. Where it fires its enemies will draw an arc to locate.
The HIMARS can fire short range missiles being sent to replace ATACMS.
The Russian Iskander Missile, is no longer only ship and aircraft platform only munitions similiar to HIMARS. Russia introduced a mobile version very recently, two months or less. This vehicle missilw launcher system is assigned to all Russian units down to brigade, and most battalions. The command and control communications Russia now has mastered allows unit commanders to hit Ukrainian targets in 3-5 minutes. This the most significant missile system in term of impact. The HIMARS were always rare and expensive. Cheap and mass produced, the Iskander family is making a greater impact.
But I would not want to be targeted by HIMARS or the Ruskie counterpart.
NATO strategy was always low numbers, percission systems designed for quick engagements.
Neither side was prepared for a long drawn out conflict, but NATO was initially better resourced in Ukraine.
Russia did not have combined arms warfare with integrated command and control to start. They have mustered an adequate and fast evolving integrated capability from space, naval, air force and army.
Russia has retooled their heavy defense industry. They repair and build more tanks a month than left in all europe.
NATO failed to take seriously Russia. We dismissed Russia as incapable of winning a NATO backed Ukraine. Every advantage held by Ukraine in superior equipment and trained soldiers has been matched and surpassed.
The most indespensable weapon with a decisive impact is not the HIMARS. For Ukraine it has been small drones. For Russia 1) FABs 2) Artillery 3) Hypersonic missiles 4) drones
The Uke drone held mech and armor of Russia in check.
The FABs broke the stalemate. The FAB is the most significant and impactful weapon in this conflict to date. Between the first FAB in Nov 23 and first week of Sep 24, Russian MOD credits the FABs with the breaking of all/the last 2014 Ukrainian NATO Defensive lines.
The FAB deciminated both the manpower and bunkers. Ukraine has been in a state of forced withdrawal since losing their forticications.
FABoulous. It is not the NATO-Ukraine LGBTQ favorite word anymore.
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