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The Garden Thread - September, 2024
September 1, 2024 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 09/01/2024 6:06:00 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The MONTHLY Gardening Thread is a gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

If you have specific question about a plant/problem you are having, please remember to state the Growing Zone where you are located.

This thread is a non-political respite. No matter what, you won’t be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table Recipes, Preserving, Good Living - there is no telling where it will go - and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us! Send a Private Message to Diana in Wisconsin if you'd like to be added to/removed from our New & Improved Ping List.

NOTE: This is a once a MONTH Ping List, but we DO post to the thread all throughout the month. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest to Gardeners are welcomed any time!


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: food; garden; gardening; hobbies; september
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To: FamiliarFace

Sorry I just reread your earlier post. Central Indiana, great. There is a facebook page for paw paw growers. It’s harvest time now I would ask there.


221 posted on 09/12/2024 5:28:48 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

The only other ‘exotic’ this season was a Katydid - but a big one. Last year I saw one too, but much smaller.

Haven’t seen a Walking Stick since I was a kid! Well, maybe I HAVE, but they’re SO well camouflaged. ;)


222 posted on 09/12/2024 6:12:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Qiviut

Dahlias would be beautiful! I have only had medium luck with them at this house. I just need more sun, which it sounds like you have plenty of. I don’t have much experience with snapdragons but I think they have a nice place in the garden and in arrangements. It’s cool that your mom likes to have so many zinnias that she can give away extras as gifts. That’s cool.


223 posted on 09/12/2024 6:29:22 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: MomwithHope

Thank you! I learn so much from everyone here.

I can understand why people might think I’m in a warmer climate. I am a native of Florida, and my ways are pretty southern at heart, but I’ve been in the Midwest for about 35 years now. Still learning new things every day.

I had to look up stratify. Makes sense. Thanks for that tip. I had no idea when it came to seeds.


224 posted on 09/12/2024 6:34:43 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: FamiliarFace
F.F.: PawPaws....be aware that the skin and seeds are toxic so should not be eaten!

Here is link to info on pawpaw festivals out there. (I have never tasted a paw paw, so this is all academic for me!)

PawPaw Festivals

Unlike supermarket fruit, things like pawpaws and figs do not ship well. You almost need to grow them to have a ripe one. Wild varieties have lots of seeds. Cultivated and named varieties have fewer seeds and are larger than wild. Note....Pawpaws are also tolerant of juglone, allowing them to be planted in the shade of walnuts!

Sunflower PawPaws are self fertile so you only need one of them. Do a search for nurseries, lots of different prices for this variety. (Checked Jungs, Out of Stock now and do not offer this variety, but they do sell pairs of Paw Paw trees.) Raintree Nursery Sunflower PawPaw "One of the rare partially self-fertile paw paw varieties! A well-known and exceptionally hardy northern selection from Kansas with large, flavorful fruit tasting of mango, apricot, pineapple, banana and vanilla. Ripens later than most varieties." (More on hardiness and required cold day hours at link) Peterson Paw Paws

Info on other varieties and links to other nurseries that sell them.

Here is a discussion about benefits (and toxicity) of Pawpaws: (Eat them sparingly!)

Health Benefits Pawpaw fruit

Here is a discussion regarding the neurotoxic compound the fruit contains:

Annonacin in Asimina triloba fruit: implication for neurotoxicity

"Discussion: Pawpaw fruit contains a high concentration of annonacin, which is toxic to cortical neurons. Crude fruit extract also induced neurotoxicity, highlighting the need for additional studies to determine the potential risks of neurodegeneration associated with chronic exposure to pawpaw products. "

Here is a link showing research by Kentucky State University on PawPaws use in chemotherapy and as pesticides!

Pawpaw and Acetogenins

225 posted on 09/12/2024 6:40:27 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Walking Sticks.....I never saw them until I moved to Kansas: They apparently like to feed on Hazel Nut and Oak trees. Here and in Missouri they will consume Locust tree leaves.

Other things I found here; Wheelhouse and assassin bugs, and Preying mantises, gardener friendlies! I have lacewings about, and have even found their egg cases on a cucumber plant. What I want is something in concentrations that will take out all the cucumber beetles that are damaging both squash, okra, and tomato plants. I have even found them eating cauliflower plants, as if there is not enough problem with cabbage loopers already! (See the earlier paw paw post...KSU is are looking at using chemical compounds from pawpaws as a possible control for cucumber beetles!)

226 posted on 09/12/2024 6:49:20 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: FamiliarFace

Being in Central Indiana I would store them in your garage, unattached is fine. I follow my Chicago upbringing, Dad always made great sauerkraut in his unattached garage and stored his seeds there too. In west Michigan it has to be the attached garage (not quite so cold). NI never store seeds in plastic or bottles, always halfs of discarded mail paper envelopes . Lots of room to write on. And any leftover moisture in the seeds will wick away.


227 posted on 09/12/2024 7:20:13 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

Thanks for this valuable info. I, too, have never tasted a pawpaw before, but I am intrigued by the description I’ve read. Like a banana mango as I understand it.


228 posted on 09/12/2024 8:40:01 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: MomwithHope

Thanks for the tips! Will do!


229 posted on 09/12/2024 8:41:27 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

What is the name of the plant that has purple garlic growing from the top of the stem, sort of hanging in the air, rather than in the ground? My sister sent me a root from hers along with a photo and I’d like to care for it properly. She doesn’t know what it is either, except to say that the stem tastes like chives/onion and the garlic grows out from the top of the stem in the air. A photo of her plant will follow.


230 posted on 09/12/2024 9:02:55 AM PDT by LittleLinda
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

231 posted on 09/12/2024 9:22:02 AM PDT by LittleLinda
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To: LittleLinda

Looks just like Egyptian walking onion. We have been growing them for years. The little bulbs are seeds for a new plant. If you just have the plant and it has roots I would plant it and break off the bulbs and plant them too.


232 posted on 09/12/2024 9:56:28 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: LittleLinda

I agree with what Mom said. :)


233 posted on 09/12/2024 10:00:44 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: LittleLinda

The white part will just keep getting bigger if you don’t eat it. When mature like that the white part can be chopped and eaten. I have had some older shoots get almost as big as a leek. The greens are very tasty when young and tender. I am in west Michigan and they root deep and stay alive all year long, new shoots coming up even through the snow. You’ll always have onions.


234 posted on 09/12/2024 10:01:04 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: MomwithHope; Diana in Wisconsin

Thank you for the response. So the purple hanging bulbs/cloves are NOT garlic? My sister 1100 miles away swore it was garlic. It’s all onions?


235 posted on 09/12/2024 12:18:43 PM PDT by LittleLinda
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To: LittleLinda

They taste a bit like garlic. Closer to shallots. If I have a bunch of big ones I will peel them and use the like shallots. But no they are onions.


236 posted on 09/12/2024 12:55:20 PM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: LittleLinda

Well, if she planted an onion, the bulbs on top will produce more onions.

If she says planted garlic, it’s then garlic.

They do look similar, but these ‘baby bulbs’ are bigger than what garlic would normally produce, so our first guess was a ‘walking onion’ or regular onion of some type.

I’d call her for clarification.


237 posted on 09/12/2024 12:55:30 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; MomwithHope; sevlex

I took all advice and talked to my sister ON THE PHONE (not by text) and she cut into one of the hanging bulbs. She’s confirmed that it’s onion, not garlic. The woman who gave her the plant told her it was a “garlic and chives” (??) combo plant. After further discussion, my sister added that her friend had brain surgery a year ago and lost some brain function and some sense of taste afterwards. I wish I’d known all of that before I made a single post today 🙄 Thanks to all of you for your help. It’s Egyptian or Walking Onion and now I know how to grow and care for it.


238 posted on 09/12/2024 2:18:44 PM PDT by LittleLinda
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To: LittleLinda

I have had My patch forever and always glad to have them on hand. a couple of years I had let some get huge almost leek size. I tossed the white part in oil and seasoned with salt and pepper and grilled them. YUMMY.


239 posted on 09/12/2024 2:50:36 PM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: LittleLinda; MomwithHope

Another mystery solved thanks to Free Republic and The Garden Thread, LOL!


240 posted on 09/12/2024 5:08:55 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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