Posted on 08/26/2024 4:03:00 AM PDT by grundle
Dear Quentin,
My girlfriend and I don’t plan to get legally married nor married in the eyes of the church. We’re simply having a wedding to celebrate our love, but we are not signing any paperwork. I am concerned that my significant other would lose her state health insurance because she doesn’t work. To cut a long story short, I feel terrible that she’s utilizing a program for low-income people, but she has serious mental-health issues that are completely treatable but expensive. I make too much money for her to qualify for medical assistance if we marry, but not enough to absorb what I’ve calculated to be $35,000 a year in additional expenses.
We want kids eventually and I’m concerned that, given that I live in a state famous for treating men poorly in divorces, she’ll end up with at least half of everything I own despite the fact that I accumulated quite a bit in assets before we ever met. I’m also likely to accumulate quite a bit more in assets before we have a child, and it’s actually necessary or helpful that she stays home to care for said child. We agreed several years ago that it was best she stop working because she was in an extremely high-stress environment as a pharmacy tech that was exacerbating her mental-health issues.
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Context.
Context Friend
The thread is about marriage licenses and the Bible.
Let’s stay on topic here.
The misdirection to George Washington is off topic, a straw man attempt and not an applicable example. George Washington is nowhere in the Bible.
So...back to the question; where in the Bible is there evidence of marriage licenses, or law requiring them?
“”””Historically, there was no requirement to obtain a marriage license in colonial America. When you read the laws of the colonies and then the states, you see only two requirements for marriage. First, you had to obtain your parents permission to marry, and second, you had to post public notice of the marriage 5-15 days before the ceremony.””””
Look at my posts, marriage licenses were common and legal notice of some sort was required, in other words compliance with the law.
Muslims couldn’t just silently use their Quran to prove their many wives qualified for legal marriage status.
Well when you put it that way it sounds like he’s doing really great for himself!
“...marriage licenses were common and legal notice...”
“Common” is not the same as “required”
And posting “public notice” is not a license.
A marriage license is today “common”, but not a legal requirement for Biblical marriage, nor found in the Bible. A marriage has nothing to do with a state or government license.
There currently are Spiritual unions and even legal contracts drawn between two parties in the secular world, but no license is required for those either.
You quoted part of the article, but left out what Ohio law says. A man and woman don’t need to and are not required to sign a contact with a state, as a third party to their marriage. A family Bible with notations is completely legal and lawfully recognized and it need not be inspected, or approved by the state.
You also left out the part that marriage licenses came to be to permit blacks to marry whites as this had been illegal and you needed permission from the government to do so.
We don’t need permission from uncle sugar to marry.
No fault divorce removed all remedy for damages for violating a marriage and renders the implied contact to be unenforceable. No reason, or requirement to involve the state in this matter, because the state will only make dissolution (God forbid that this happens, but it does happen VERY often) of the marriage more costly, time consuming and painful.
Last, you’re going off on another trail completely with the “muslims” comment, which is also irrelevant, off topic and a distraction.
Legally not hooked (as in a marriage license) is one thing....but with a mental case who had her mental problems exacerbated by being a Pharmacy Technician (implied sampling of the pharmacy stock implied there), isn’t working, etc. The only thing that could be worse is being locked to her via a baby for 18 years.
First off I was giving you examples of people having to comply with the law to have a legal marriage, that was true then and for centuries before and marriage law and licenses predate any issue with black/white marriage whether the law was controlled by the Catholic church or the King, or the colonial govts., or the states.
If you don’t want a legal marriage then skip it, and of course if you ever want it to be legal for some reason such as social security or death benefit, I’m sure that you will come up with what the laws says you need to establish that it meets their requirements, I don’t know how the Mormons and Muslims handle their multiple marriages that are kept away from law compliance.
A marriage without a state issued license IS A LEGAL MARRIAGE. COMPLETELY legal.
PERIOD!
While I respect your posts on other matters, here, you are in error on the legal facts.
And social security? Good luck with that in 7-10 years. Everyone who paid in, by force, will never regain what they paid, nor the interest they could have earned. It’s a ponzi scheme and always has been. Hardly an incentive to introduce the state into a marriage. Granted, 40 years ago, many believed it would carry them through retirement, but with its income limiting punishments and taxes upon it, plus soon insolvency, that notion is now like dissipating fog, or catching the wind.
Have a great evening.
Off to have a couple of adult beverages with friends.
Respectfully,
Z
A marriage that doesn’t comply with law isn’t legal.
Like I said, if you get married, at some point you or the girl who lives with you will probably get around to seeking how to make it legal in the eyes of the government.
You keep ignoring Mormons and Muslims who marry without any legal grounds.
“So, while Big Mo/Anup own(s) a half-dozen gas stations and a couple of restaurants, his wife is technically unmarried and entitled to the welfare the state offers her and her kids.”
False. TANF rules account for the income in the household and marriage status has nothing to do with it.
Agreed. The State should never be Sovereign in a true Marriage.
(The woman’s last name should be changed though.
Headship. I Cor 11)
Why would you expect to have runaway medical expenses if you both, as I would expect, have Medicare and a Supplement with Part D or Medicare Advantage and are covered by out-of-pocket maximums?
It only decides if a marriage is legal or not, it doesn’t tell the Mormons and Muslims that their extra marriages don’t comply with their faith, only that they don’t meet the standards of legality in the law.
...unless you are worried about uncovered research-status medications.
Anyone else wondering if Quentin made up this story...?
Agreed:
“When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believers!”
I Cor 6:1 New Living Translation
And many others, as perhaps in the article, are learning who is and what is judging “legal” is this decayed fallen political society.
Agreed:
“When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believers!”
I Cor 6:1 New Living Translation
And many others, as perhaps in the article, are learning who is and what is judging “legal” is this decayed fallen political society.
Why marry the cow when the milk is free?
Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?
I understand why couples do not marry.
My older sister has been married twice, divorced twice and cheated on her 2nd husband and ended up with the house and the two kids and she got child support from the ex till they were at least 18, maybe 22 if they went to college.
She never paid for anything in that house. The furniture, frig, wallpaper & paint & carpet etc were free & the credit cards paid off from the parents. She even stole the $7,000 down payment from the parents and blamed her ex who had been making payments while they were married and made the mistake in giving her the money to give to her parents.
Then there are the married couples who fight all the time.
I certainly have heard them over the years.
I knew a guy who got divorced and found he owed a lot on the credit cards as she knew before he did about the divorced and she bought lots of stuff. His name was on the card so he was left on the hook. He also ended up with custody of their kid.
Perfect!
Lawsuits among believers. Biblical!
I would expand upon your post, but no need.
We, as followers of Christ are called to a different code of conduct amongst ourselves.
“...in the world, but not OF the world...”
Thank you for contribution.
May you be blessed, as you remain steadfast.
Respectfully,
Z
True. I’ve seen it. I’ve had those guys tell me to my face it’s true. I’ve watched those woman pay with EBT cards and load up the groceries in their G-Wagons. You trying to tell me the entire city of Dearbornistan hasn’t learned how to game the system? The entire place is run by their own people. Hamtram is the same way now.
If you put everything in living trust for each other, you avoid an awful lot of proper
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