Posted on 08/25/2024 9:37:36 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
Higher intake of total, animal, and plant protein is associated with lower mortality in older adults with chronic kidney disease (CKD), according to a study.
Adrián Carballo-Casla, Ph.D. and colleagues examined associations of total, animal, and plant protein intake with all-cause mortality in older adults with mild or moderate CKD. The analysis included 8,543 community-dwelling adults ≥ 60 years.
The researchers found that higher total protein intake was associated with lower mortality among participants with CKD (adjusted hazard ratio for 1.00 versus 0.80 g/kg/day: 0.88; for 1.20 versus 0.80 g/kg/day: 0.79; for 1.40 versus 0.80 g/kg/day, 0.73). For plant and animal protein, associations with mortality were similar (adjusted hazard ratios, 0.80 and 0.88 per 0.20-g/kg/day increment, respectively). Associations were also similar for total protein intake regardless of age. Risk was even lower among participants without CKD versus those with CKD (adjusted hazard ratios, 0.85 and 0.92 per 0.20-g/kg/day increment, respectively).
"These findings suggest that the benefits of proteins may outweigh the downsides in older adults with mild or moderate CKD, in whom disease progression may play a more limited role in survival," the authors write.
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It appears 1.40 grams of protein per kilogram per day reduced the death rate by 27% over .80 grams/kg/day. This is saying .8 grams versus 1.4 grams of protein per 2.2 pounds of weight. It converts to 54.5 grams for a 150 pound person versus 95.5 grams for that same 150 pound person (according to quick calculator work).
If interested, an amazing, but super-extreme, diet called the Rice Diet (by Walter Kempner, MD) actually reversed kidney dysfunction, blood pressure, and retinal issues. It appeared to work by eliminating any difficult-to-handle function dealing with proteins or amino acids, so reducing protein can make some sense, as well.
It’s not germane to this specific study, aside from describing protein considerations with the kidney, but I will include a reference to it in my next post.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/education/information-all/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-the-rice-diet/
There are multiple articles on this diet and doctor, on various sites.
Human body evolved as omnivores. We do not have prominent canine teeth and short bowels found in carnivores such as lions, hyena and tigers. We do not have long bowels found in herbivores such as deer, necessary to digest grasses and leaves. Our teeth and bowels are designed for a diet of combination of foods.
The thing of it is anyone can find out if it does them any good by trying it out for 30 days.
If you don’t feel any improvement you can always go back to whatever you were eating.
And take whatever poison your trusted big pharma prescribes you.
“It appears 1.40 grams of protein per kilogram per day reduced the death rate by 27% over .80 grams/kg/day. This is saying .8 grams versus 1.4 grams of protein per 2.2 pounds of weight. It converts to 54.5 grams for a 150 pound person versus 95.5 grams for that same 150 pound person (according to quick calculator work). “
I’m embarrassed to say my ‘quick calculator’ work is struggling this morning. I keep getting the wrong numbers. It can’t be 95 grams of protein for 150lb! But I didn’t get your number either. Would you have a look and point to my mistake? :D
150lb x kg/2.2lbs = 68.2 kgs
68.2 kg x 1.4 grams/kg= 95.5 grams of protein?
thnaks, i went on a semi elemental diet to get a rest from harder to digest foods- basically it’s a drink- every meal- aminos, proteins, vitamins- predigested sort of- After 3 months on it, started getting more energy, but wow did it mess with blood pressure or sugar or something- I woudl nearly black out after standing up from sitting for awhile- Had to take it easy for awhile- couldn’t stand up too fast- One thing that happened was my kidney number went fro0m 29 to 36- not sure if the diet had anything to do with it- or maybe i was more hydrated the second test or something-
Thanks for the link, i will check the diet-
You have the right number.
For the higher helpful protein amount:
150 pounds / 2.2 pounds/kg = 68.2 kg
68.2 kg * 1.4 grams/kg = 95.5 grams
For the apparent low protein amount normally encouraged:
150 pounds / 2.2 pounds/kg = 68.2 kg
68.2 kg * 0.8 grams/kg = 54.5 grams
So if I understand this. The secret to long life is to get kidney disease. Then you have to eat more protein.
May I ask in what way did it mess up your blood pressure and sugar levels?
im not sure what it messed up but id be sitting watching TV for awhile, and go to stand up- make it about 10 steps or so, and feel like i was going to pass out because i’d get very lightheaded and have to grab onto the doorway to steady myself till it passed- the feeling usually only lasted about 20 seconds or so- but it kept happening frequently while on the semi elemental diet- not sure what the cause was-
My guess (based on experience as an insulin dependent diabetic) is that the higher protein diet sparks a condition called “ketosis,” wherein your body begins to burn fat stores instead of relying on eating high carb foods to produce energy. In effect, it promotes a lower blood sugar (which also reduces blood pressure). There’s a delicate balance that needs to be maintained to avoid the blood sugar falling too low and impairing your brain function. Like a diabetic taking too much insulin, it causes mental confusion, loss of motor control (dizziness, staggering movements), loss of consciousness, and even death. Like a diabetic, you can reverse these symptoms fairly rapidly by ingesting sugar water, orange juice, or milk. This can be a double-edged sword when it causes the blood sugar to quickly spike upward, raising blood pressure in the bargain. If a diabetic uses one of these “rescue” techniques, they must also consume a small balanced meal as soon as they are able to sustain an optimum blood sugar over several hours. If your symptoms of low blood sugar occur often (as you claim) the answer is to adjust your food intake to include a few more grams of complex carbohydrates to your meals to avoid it. You don’t lower your protein intake - only your carb intake. It’s my personal opinion that anyone desiring to undertake a Keto diet should also be using a glucose monitor and testing their blood sugar levels before each meal and prior to bedtime to be aware when these levels are reaching dangerous lows (or highs). Some diabetics have an acute awareness of their body’s symptoms when either condition strikes and can respond quickly to highs and lows without the monitor - but not all. The monitor takes the guesswork out of the equation.
Good rule.
Thank you!
You do not mention anything about being a diabetic, nor anything about symptoms while sitting. It seems you get dizzy when standing up suddenly.
I have never had a blood sugar above 100, although in earlier years I had a hypoglycemic panicky reaction when I suddenly got hungry. I reduced my sugar and refined starch consumption and that symptom disappeared. I had fairly low blood pressure, and sometimes when I stood up quickly, I would feel dizzy. Doctor said it was orthostatic hypotension and did not seem particularly concerned as my heart and weight were not abnormal. I should just stand up slowly and give my heart a chance to pump blood into my head. No recommendaton of eating sugar.
Decades later I needed to loose weight and tried the Atkins low carb method, Phase 1 of eating no more than 20 grams of net carbs a day. I began to steadily lose weight, so continued on that diet long after the relative short suggested period before starting to add small amounts of carbs each week. I never had any bad symptoms doing that. I was in my mid 60s then. In my mid 70s my kidney number dropped from stage 5, 60 number, to stage 3 numbers around 37 to 43 for several years. Several years ago it had dropped to stage 3, 34, and because of Covid concerns I made various efforts to improve my health by adding 5,000 IU of Vitamin D and several items to successfully reverse my cataracts. My most recent kidney number was back up to 44. I was increasing my protein levels because of keeping low carb levels. I was trying to do 50 to 60 g of protein, age 85 and weight 130 to 135. I hope you can find something useful in that.
there;s some condition where the blood pressure goes wonky upon standing- can’t remember the name right now -it’s 3 letter acronym- i think maybe that is what was happening- but agai9n- i don’t know- i still get it off and on- but not as consistently as when i was doing that diet- it seemed to really ramp it up for whatever reason- if i do the diet again though- i will certainly look into compl carbs to try to offset it- i might try the rice diet- and if that crops up again, i’ll give it a try too-
Hi- sorry for late reply- no diabetes or sugar issues (I’ve had to monitor for suspected sugar issues- but sugar is fine- BUT- i don’t know what the diet did to me- it’s possible i guess)-
[[nor anything about symptoms while sitting.]]
no symptoms while sitting- just upon standing- and only for about 20 seconds or so
[[Doctor said it was orthostatic hypotension and did not seem particularly concerned as my heart and weight were not abnormal. I should just stand up slowly and give my heart a chance to pump blood into my head. No recommendaton of eating sugar.]]
I suspect that might be it-
Thank you for relating those things- I’m gettign cataracts too- so might start the D- but i get kidney stones easily- but heard that Vit k is needed with D to prevent stones- hopefully i can up my kidney function at least a little bit- it’s kinda nerve wracking being low 30’s- but my doc said folks can go decades with it in low numbers without failing or dialysis- hope she’s right-
[[Like a diabetic, you can reverse these symptoms fairly rapidly by ingesting sugar water, orange juice, or milk.]]
One thing that tells me it might not be sugar is that it only lasts for about 20 seconds, then I’m fine- I have used a blood sugar monitor but sugar is fine- just did it a few months ago and all was well there-
My doctor has not expressed concern about my GFI rate, but has paid attention to it. I think it may be my avoiding water because of urinary issues, which are improving with certain supplements. For cataracts, I have been taking Lutien 30 mg morning and evening, Ataxantine 10 mg M&E, Zeaxanthin 4 mg M&E, and Bilberry when I can find it. Also sometimes Eyebright and Blueberry. Seventy % improvement over 2 to 3 years.
May I ask what urinary supplements? I’m not going well at all- takes forever to empty
Tha k you for the list for eyes- 70% is Impressive. My eyesight keeps slowly but steadily worsening- need glasses for both near and far now. YouTube has all kinds of videos for “exercising the eyes back to good health”, but all they seem to do is give me headaches- no improvement. Eye doc did say no sign of macula degeneration or glaucoma, so that is a plus
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