Posted on 08/04/2024 6:20:02 PM PDT by vespa300
Article XIV — The Lord's Day We believe the Lord's Day is divinely ordained for private and public worship, for rest from unnecessary work, and should be devoted to spiritual improvement, Christian fellowship and service. It is commemorative of our Lord's resurrection and is an emblem of our eternal rest. It is essential to the permanence and growth of the Christian Church, and important to the welfare of the civil community.
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I never could figure out how you ignore the 4th Commandment and not the others. Is it alright to lie, steal and commit adultery? Jesus kept the Sabbath and the first church kept the Sabbath because there is nothing in Scripture to change that. The only law that Jesus paid for was the Law of sin and death, otherwise we are still responsible for the 10 Commandments. Denominations are called "The Traditions of Men" in Scripture. If you claim to be redeemed, you should act redeemed, and your denomination should follow the same Scriptures handed down by God to His prophets. In fact, keeping the Sabbath is stressed all throughout the Bible without exception. Probably less than 10% of professing Christians meet on the Sabbath. All the others knowingly break the 4th Commandment every week. If you look at the Leviticus 23 Feast days you see that Sabbath is mentioned first. Passover and Easter hardly ever ( I think never but don't know for sure) land on the same day, and Christmas is just a pagan day for winter solstice celebrating Tamuz ( Nimrod's son). Jesus was most likely born on Tabernacles, but we are told to observe Tabernacles and Christmas is not mentioned except in Ezekiel 8 as an abomination and hopefully you are aware not to bring a tree in the house.(Jer 10:3)
>>>The Early Christians in fact all Christians worshipped on the first day, the day the Lord rose from the dead.>>>>
The apostolic church never kept the first day as a holy day. Rome changed the sabbath over time to appease the pagans...the “day of the sun”
It was a gradual change over a few hundred years. We even read this prophecy in Daniel 7:25......she would attempt to change set times and law. The only law in the 10 having to do with time is the Sabbath.
That being said....do you keep Sunday as the Lord’s day? A day of rest, no unnecessary work, turning thy foot from the Sabbath not doing thine own pleasure?
If so......hey, I’m impressed. I can’t find anyone who even keeps Sunday anymore. You made the argument above....albeit a weak one that Sunday is the Lord’s day and God changed his law......so do you even keep that day?
I’m interested. Thank you.
Now tell us about the female bishop married to a woman, etc.
With all the disaffiliations, they may have cleaned up their website compared to a few years ago, but I still found this:
“call the United States government to immediately cease all arrests, detainment, and deportations of undocumented immigrants, including children, solely based upon their immigration status until a fair and comprehensive immigration reform is passed.
Join the Rapid Response Team. The RRT is a network of over 300 United Methodists across the US who are working for immigrant and refugee justice.”
The United Methodists have been hard left for decades. Its why I stopped going to church there many years ago.
>>>The United Methodists have been hard left for decades. Its why I stopped going to church there many years ago.>>>>
Yes, but my point was about their position on the Lord’s day and how it should be observed. I don’t think that has changed but for most evangelicals today.....the Lord’s is just like any other day. They don’t keep as the Lord’s day anymore. What happened?
Nothing surprises me about United Methodists now. Like I said, they been going woke before woke was a term.
I’m still waiting for someone to provide the verses to show where God commanded WORSHIP be on the Sabbath.
God set the Sabbath apart as a day of rest.
I can find no command that worship must be done on that day, nor that worshipping on another day is breaking the day of rest.
Could you provide chapter and verse on that?
You are correct, but if you are in a cult, well...
That is false and demonstrably so.
Christians i.e. Jesus-movement Jews, worshipped on both Saturday and Sunday until 132 AD, with Saturday reducing all the while from 70 AD to 132 AD.
Why those dates? because of the Jewish revolts against the authorities which made the Jesus-movement Jews to stop identifying themselves with the rebels (and in 116 with the fanatical killers of civilians - read about the Kitos war and the JewishSlaughter of gentiles)
And we have proof that Christians were worshipping on Sunday right from the end of the 1st century i.e. between 33 AD to 100 AD
Justin Martyr writing in 140 AD says about the first day of the week; “And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read”
Notice that he says that, “On the day called Sunday, all who live in the cities or in the country gather together to one place,” etc. “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly.” This practice was general among all Christians as far as he had travelled, and he was an itinerant preacher. Hence this is positive proof that Sunday-keeping was general in the Christian Church at that early date. Justin does not state simply his opinion, but a fact then existing, viz., that all Christians “whether in cities or country””in all nations” held their assemblies on Sunday.
The only churches that met on Sunday was the church around the Nile and the church at Rome -- that is false.
“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).- Antioch, in Syria worshipped on Sunday, not Saturday
And in southern Turkey,
“[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality” (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).
So, 1st and 2nd century Christians from all over the world were WORSHIPING ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, not on Saturday
Your statements are historically false -- the Apostles who were the first bishops of the One Holy Catholic and Orthodox Church (founded in 33 AD) worshiped the Lord on Sunday, not Saturday. "Sabbath" remains on Sobota/Sábado/შაბათი (Shabati) - in Polish/Spanish/Georgian --> Sunday is the day we Christians worship and have worshiped since Apostolic times - and no, the Jesus-movement Jews were not "anti-themselves".
According to the New Testament, the holy day Christians are bound to keep cannot be the Sabbath of the Old Covenant, because Colossians 2:16-17 says: “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in regard to food or drink or in respect to festival, or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow [Greek, skia] of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.”
Sabbath is no longer binding on Christians. He calls it a “mere shadow.” Hebrews 10:1 says, “For the law, having but a shadow of the good things to come, and not the exact image [Greek, eikona] of the objects, is never able by the sacrifices which they offer continually, year after year the same, to perfect those who draw near.”
Read 1 C 23:31 Paul teaches that Christians do not have to keep the Sabbath, he speaks of the days that were specific to those under the Mosaic law
The Apostolic Church only kept the first day as the Lord’s day.
That’s why in Romance languages and in Greek and Georgian and Aramaic, Saturday and Sunday are
Latin Sabbato Domini (Lord’s)
Greek Σάββατο (sabbato) Κυριακή (Lord’s day)
Georgian შაბათი (shabati) კვირა (Lord’s)
Armenian շաբաթ օրը. (shabat’ory) Կիրակի (Lord’s)
Aramaic σάββατον
The Apostolic church - as clearly evidenced in every early Christian writing, worshiped on Sunday.
Christians worship on Sunday.
Modernist philosophies like the Seventh Day adventists are no different than Wiccans or Mormons - just made-up 19th century drivel.
>>>The Apostolic Church only kept the first day as the Lord’s day.>>>
Not a single text to show this. And we read Paul exhorting the GENTILES to come out the next “Sabbath.” Acts 13:42.
It’s bizarre what you evangelicals come up with. Then John sees the Lord’s day in Revelation. Jesus is Lord, and said he was LORD OF THE SABBATH.
Sunday keeping came into the church a hundred years after the apostolic church because the Christians didn’t want to be associated with the Jews.
And a Denny’s grand slam meal doesn’t change the law of God so don’t come back with the disciples breaking bread on the first day. Acts 2 says they broke “daily.”
Go back to John on Patmos. The only Bible he had were the OT scriptures. Ask him what day is the Lord’s day he is talking about in Revelation 1:10.
He’d tell you to look it up yourself.....God is the Lord and throughout the scriptures.....he calls the seventh day Sabbath “MY HOLY DAY.”
Now.....do you actually keep Sunday as a holy day? Or have you tossed it like most evangelicals today have? Because if you don’t even Keep Sunday as a holy day....why are you even arguing what day is the Lord’s day? Weird.
Matthew 24 only has one mention of the Sabbath “ 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.”
This is about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.
Got nothing to do with the Millerite (Seventh Day adventist like yourself, or Jehovah’s witnesses) beliefs about worshiping on Saturday or thinking that Jesus is the angel Michael.
and the earliest Christians all wrote about worshiping the Lord on the Lord’s day i.e. the FIRST day of the week
In my mother’s neck of the woods, Seventh Day Baptists were everywhere, at least during the 20th Century (maybe earlier). Most congregations are gone, but there still are a few.
Have you read Daniel?
Firstly Daniel 12 shows that your Seventh Day Adventist belief about Jesus being just an angel Michael is false as Michael is ONE of the princes of angels (one of the archangels)
Secondly, Daniel 7:25 is about "a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. " that comes after the neo-Babylonian (first: golden head, Lion), the Achaemenid (second: silver torso, Bear with 3 bones: Persia, Media and Babylonia, in its mouth) and the Macedonian (third: bronze thighs; fast as a leopard) -- it was the Primus-era Roman Empire
Daniel's visions were fulfilled with first advent of Christ
Note that Daniel was a true prophet unlike the founder of Seventh Day Adventism, the false prophetess Ellen G White - whose writings are held alongside scripture and considered by Adventists as being on par with scripture as divinely inspired
As you pointed out - Christians keep Sunday as the Lord's Day
But you and other Seventh Day Adventists don't keep Sunday as the Lord's day, do you?
Interesting, thank you for the share
>>>>As you pointed out - Christians keep Sunday as the Lord’s Day
But you and other Seventh Day Adventists don’t keep Sunday as the Lord’s day, do you?>>>
No, we keep the Bible Sabbath which many Christians have kept since the apostolic church. We prefer the Bible over tradition.
But that being said.....do you keep Sunday holy? If so, tell us a little bit about how it is different from any other day?
I can’t find many Evangelicals today who actually keep Sunday as a holy day.
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