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To: Cronos
Christians worshiped on the 7th day Sabbath until about 400~ AD. The only churches that met on Sunday was the church around the Nile and the church at Rome. The Catholic church changed it to Sunday around then due to Antisemitism. They canceled the Leviticus 23 Feast Days and substituted pagan days of Easter and Christmas and threatened anyone that observed Sabbath or the Feasts with death or excommunication. This edict came from men, not God. The 4th Commandment is still there as it always has been.

I never could figure out how you ignore the 4th Commandment and not the others. Is it alright to lie, steal and commit adultery? Jesus kept the Sabbath and the first church kept the Sabbath because there is nothing in Scripture to change that. The only law that Jesus paid for was the Law of sin and death, otherwise we are still responsible for the 10 Commandments. Denominations are called "The Traditions of Men" in Scripture. If you claim to be redeemed, you should act redeemed, and your denomination should follow the same Scriptures handed down by God to His prophets. In fact, keeping the Sabbath is stressed all throughout the Bible without exception. Probably less than 10% of professing Christians meet on the Sabbath. All the others knowingly break the 4th Commandment every week. If you look at the Leviticus 23 Feast days you see that Sabbath is mentioned first. Passover and Easter hardly ever ( I think never but don't know for sure) land on the same day, and Christmas is just a pagan day for winter solstice celebrating Tamuz ( Nimrod's son). Jesus was most likely born on Tabernacles, but we are told to observe Tabernacles and Christmas is not mentioned except in Ezekiel 8 as an abomination and hopefully you are aware not to bring a tree in the house.(Jer 10:3)

21 posted on 08/05/2024 1:06:37 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
The only law that Jesus paid for was the Law of sin and death, otherwise we are still responsible for the 10 Commandments.

Could you provide chapter and verse on that?

28 posted on 08/05/2024 12:57:59 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus”)
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To: chuckles; fidelis; markomalley
chuckles - Christians worshiped on the 7th day Sabbath until about 400~ AD.

That is false and demonstrably so.

Christians i.e. Jesus-movement Jews, worshipped on both Saturday and Sunday until 132 AD, with Saturday reducing all the while from 70 AD to 132 AD.

Why those dates? because of the Jewish revolts against the authorities which made the Jesus-movement Jews to stop identifying themselves with the rebels (and in 116 with the fanatical killers of civilians - read about the Kitos war and the JewishSlaughter of gentiles)

And we have proof that Christians were worshipping on Sunday right from the end of the 1st century i.e. between 33 AD to 100 AD

Justin Martyr writing in 140 AD says about the first day of the week; “And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read”

Notice that he says that, “On the day called Sunday, all who live in the cities or in the country gather together to one place,” etc. “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly.” This practice was general among all Christians as far as he had travelled, and he was an itinerant preacher. Hence this is positive proof that Sunday-keeping was general in the Christian Church at that early date. Justin does not state simply his opinion, but a fact then existing, viz., that all Christians “whether in cities or country””in all nations” held their assemblies on Sunday.

The only churches that met on Sunday was the church around the Nile and the church at Rome -- that is false.

“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
- Antioch, in Syria worshipped on Sunday, not Saturday

And in southern Turkey,

“[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality” (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).

So, 1st and 2nd century Christians from all over the world were WORSHIPING ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, not on Saturday

30 posted on 08/07/2024 4:12:35 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: chuckles; fidelis; markomalley
chuckles he Catholic church changed it to Sunday around then (400 AD) due to Antisemitism.

Your statements are historically false -- the Apostles who were the first bishops of the One Holy Catholic and Orthodox Church (founded in 33 AD) worshiped the Lord on Sunday, not Saturday. "Sabbath" remains on Sobota/Sábado/შაბათი (Shabati) - in Polish/Spanish/Georgian --> Sunday is the day we Christians worship and have worshiped since Apostolic times - and no, the Jesus-movement Jews were not "anti-themselves".

31 posted on 08/07/2024 4:16:31 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: chuckles

According to the New Testament, the holy day Christians are bound to keep cannot be the Sabbath of the Old Covenant, because Colossians 2:16-17 says: “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in regard to food or drink or in respect to festival, or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow [Greek, skia] of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.”

Sabbath is no longer binding on Christians. He calls it a “mere shadow.” Hebrews 10:1 says, “For the law, having but a shadow of the good things to come, and not the exact image [Greek, eikona] of the objects, is never able by the sacrifices which they offer continually, year after year the same, to perfect those who draw near.”

Read 1 C 23:31 Paul teaches that Christians do not have to keep the Sabbath, he speaks of the days that were specific to those under the Mosaic law


32 posted on 08/07/2024 5:09:01 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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