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Co-mingling unhealthy former drinkers with life-long abstainers made the “abstainer” groups in these studies look unhealthy.

As well it would have.

How can so many doctors and researchers not have caught this, decades ago?

It looks like another Cochrane Study / meta-study failure, that required some critical thinking to unpack, in yet another meta-study.

Doctors say they can’t act on anything until a meta-study makes it “true.” It takes decades for the “Medical Science Establishment” to agree to the then accumulated studies. As we see, time and time again, they are wrong (sodium is bad, food cholesterol is bad, saturated fat is bad, “margarine with trans fat is good,” etc.). These findings can be true in limited applications, but not as blanket expectations.

Sanity check your doctors. Even doctors say you should—by encouraging second opinions. With your opinion also educated, go forward with the accumulated knowledge and wisdom and get the best outcome you can have.

1 posted on 07/28/2024 10:04:56 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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2 posted on 07/28/2024 10:05:18 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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This study will be ignored so as to not impede drinkers


3 posted on 07/28/2024 10:09:08 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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Some things...

- A glass of red wine a day = heart health
- A glass of beer a day = digestive health
- 9 gin soaked raisins a day for 9 days = cure a cold
- A glass of white wine a day = less kidney stones
- A shot of whiskey(with an “e”) a day = reduced cholesterol
- A shot of vodka a day = reduce risk of Alzheimer’s

I am now healthy as a thoroughbred but I have to go to these damn meetings,


5 posted on 07/28/2024 10:12:23 AM PDT by stylin19a (Why does "slow down" and "slow up" mean the same thing?)
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We should prohibit alcohol.

It is working so well with drugs. 🤡


6 posted on 07/28/2024 10:13:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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I have no idea about its effect on longevity, but wine and bourbon have absolutely increased my quality of life. Friday pizza, too! YMMV.


9 posted on 07/28/2024 10:14:59 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Trump/Vance 2024 or GFY)
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And coffee is good for you. And coffee is bad for you, etc.

I’m 70 and pretty much ignore all those studies now. It’s in the vein of “fool me once...”. ‘course, I can because I’m pretty old, and WAY healthier than most people my age. Couple that with I’m fine with the Lord taking me at the time of his choosing, and I’m golden. Prolongation of life is not a key goal of mine. Life is a mist.


10 posted on 07/28/2024 10:17:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf (2024 is going to be one for the history books, like 1939. And 2025 will be more so, like 1940-1945.)
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Got a health problem? Here’s a pill. Have side effects from that pill? Hey, we’ve got a pill for that, too. Get to the root cause of what caused the problems in the first place and recommend some healthy lifestyle changes? Sorry, don’t have any time for that.


13 posted on 07/28/2024 10:26:19 AM PDT by JPG ("...if you can keep it.")
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“The problem is that it’s based on flawed scientific research, according to a report”

My Maternal Grandparents came from Romania after WWI. They had a small fruit farm and hired older men from Hungry or Romania to work for them. According to them that time the water in those countries wasn’t too good so they usually had a 8 to 10 oz glass of wine for lunch and one for supper. Let’s see, they all died early deaths ... actually no. Most of them were in their 70s and 80s and very healthy.


16 posted on 07/28/2024 10:30:11 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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Give it a few years and they’ll change their minds again based on new research. It happens all the time.


18 posted on 07/28/2024 10:32:33 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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“The problem is that it’s based on flawed scientific research”

Everything they push on is is “flawed scientific research”


19 posted on 07/28/2024 10:33:30 AM PDT by Indy Pendance (Jesus can't get here soon enough!)
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Alcohol is a poison, period, and as an intoxicant it’s a cheap high, right up there with glue sniffing. In small doses it makes people think they are smarter and more socially engaging than they really are, and in larger amounts turns people into complete brain damaged a-holes. Western civilization runs on it, and that’s why we are where we are.


21 posted on 07/28/2024 10:40:30 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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Milk Thistle (500 - 1000mg a day) has kept my Doctor amazed when I’m tested for liver enzymes. I’m a moderate to heavy drinker at age 74 with just a little low in AST blood work. My Doctor is not concerned. BTW, Milk Thistle is a prescribed medicine in parts of Europe for liver maintenance and repair. It has been for decades.


24 posted on 07/28/2024 10:43:31 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021? )
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Don’t really care if it extends my life as long as it doesn’t shorten it.

I lived in Napa Valley for a time. Long story. The vintners there “drink” every day. What they really do is taste and spit. Inevitable they pick up some alcohol in their system. Except for lunch and dinner where they might have a full glass of wine. Or two. That’s a lifelong habit. They probably never have a zero BAC.

Here’s some data on the age of death famous winemakers. Perhaps some European genetics going on, but doesn’t seem to have harmed these guys.

Robert Mondavi - 94
Peter Mondavi - 101
Mike Grgich - 100
Warren Winiarski - 95
André Tchelistcheff - 92


31 posted on 07/28/2024 11:01:52 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To paraphrase a scene from one of WC Field’s movies:

Woman: What would your father say if he knew you were drinking a bottle of liquor every day?

WC Fields: He’d call me a sissy.


32 posted on 07/28/2024 11:02:33 AM PDT by howlinhound (Tagline in the shop for repairs.)
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“Beware those scientific studies—most are wrong, researcher warns”

https://phys.org/news/2018-07-beware-scientific-studiesmost-wrong.html

“So much for ‘peer review’ — Wiley shuts down 19 science journals and retracts 11,000 gobbledygook papers”

https://joannenova.com.au/2024/05/so-much-for-peer-review-wiley-shuts-down-19-science-journals-and-retracts-11000-fraudulent-or-gobblygook-papers/


35 posted on 07/28/2024 11:06:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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Poor Mr. Overton! What a wonderful man! Dirty shame he only made it to 112. Booze and cigars probably took years off his life.😎


36 posted on 07/28/2024 11:06:31 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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"...light to moderate drinkers (that is, those who drank between one drink per week and two per day).."

"Moderate"? Got to be kidding...that's a teetotaler where I come from!

37 posted on 07/28/2024 11:12:59 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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Personally, I’m going to enjoy my life while I can. If something truly causes me problems, I’ll scale back or stop. Until then, moderate exercise, moderate drinking. Good food. Praise God.


39 posted on 07/28/2024 11:14:20 AM PDT by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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“In reality, he said, moderate drinking likely does not extend people’s lives.”

That’s because by their definition “moderate” is not really drinking at all! Not even beginning to be enough to reap the benefits!


40 posted on 07/28/2024 11:16:50 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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“The problem is that it’s based on flawed scientific research, according to a report.”

Your meta study Mr. PhD is beyond flawed!


41 posted on 07/28/2024 11:19:08 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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