Watch moment sea drones dodge Russian helicopters’ guns as Ukraine launches attack near Putin’s beloved Kerch Bridge

Sun UK ^ | 5/30/2024 | Ellie Doughty

[marcusmaximus]

INCREDIBLE footage shows Ukraine's sea drones nip out of the way of Russian fire during an overnight blitz in occupied Crimea.

Meanwhile Kyiv's forces launched missiles towards Vlad's beloved Kerch Bridge - reportedly sparking some 20 explosions and damaging two ships.

Dramatic video shows the drones flying over water in Uzkaya Bay, western Crimea.

Kyiv's forces dodge the Russian barrage of explosions raining down around them.

The Magura V5 marine drones managed to hit two Russian high speed KS-701 Tunets [Tuna] vessels - despite the onslaught.

The Tuna boats are used by Russian forces for patrolling as well as transport and landing.

On the other side of Crimea in Kerch, Ukraine successfully targeted a car and railway ferry - both used in Vlad's illegal war to supply Crimea from Russia.

Ukrainian intelligence said: “In order to neutralise the attack sea drones....Russian occupiers in Crimea scrambled military aircraft 32 times."

Their failed attempt included multiple warplanes, helicopters and 30 mm cannons.

[Allegra]

Very doubtful that all the funding for Iraq or Afghanistan was all accounted for.

I did not say that all of that funding was accounted for. I said it was closely tracked and audited. I knew some of the DFAS bean counters who were in country and reporting financials on a daily basis. As I said, I provided various documents to DCMA/DCAA auditors upon request as did many of my colleagues. It might not have been “all accounted for,” but the majority of it was and there was close scrutiny. Anomalies that arose in the auditing were reported in the news. Missing chunks of money were pursued and this was disclosed to John and Jane Q. Public.

I know a little about this subject and Ukrainian snow jobs aren’t going to work on me.

Those billions being sent to Ukraine are not being audited and tracked in that manner. I suspect only a handful of bad actors know the true dispersal of that money and equipment. There has always been corruption in government, but the blatancy and the corruption itself have increased exponentially since Obama and Biden got control of things.

I will not repeat this again and become ensnared in a circuitous Ukie-loop. I remain vehemently opposed to our tax dollars being sent to a known money laundering operation with no audits or accountability.

[adorno]

If it's required, why is it we can't win a war?

It's not just required. It's mandatory.

Plus, winning a war is not about us taking over a place or getting the enemy to surrender. In today's world, wars don't always come to a clear one-sided win. We have been the world's policeman for over 80 years, and we have not had to win outright to have had good outcomes. we could have won in Vietnam, or in Afghanistan, and we could go to war with Iran and win, but then, that's not what the U.S. is about. Having the best and biggest military is about defense and not about waging war or going to war to win land or territory. We are not an aggressor nation where the military is about conquest. And, we don't have to win with clear results in order to have won a war or achieved a desired result. We didn't win in Iraq, but, that country is no longer waging wars against its neighbors, although Iran is doing its best to control what happens there.

[adorno]

With incumbents winning re-election app. 97% of the time, please explain how our system is better.

Yet, it's mostly the people making those decisions, even if we don't like the outcomes. Decisions where the people have chosen is not communism, and it's not tyrannical. We conservatives have had people in congress for long periods of time, and under communism, no conservative would have that kind of power. As it is, we have close to a 50/50 congress. That's not communism or despotic.

[adorno]

So, your verdict when it comes to Ukraine is that, we have to stop all funding because there are corrupt parties there and perhaps in the U.S.? Your verdict is that, we have to decide to let Ukraine be taken over by Russia, and that’s that?

[JonPreston]

it's mostly the people making those decisions, even if we don't like the outcomes.

Are our elections are fair and honest? Did Biden actually get 81 million votes last presidential election?

[JonPreston]

we have not had to win outright to have had good outcomes

Aren't wars fought to win? And please name where we have had a good outcome in the past 30 years?

[adorno]

Aren't wars fought to win? And please name where we have had a good outcome in the past 30 years?

No!!! We don't necessarily fight to win. If we are attacked (which we haven't), then, and only then, we would have to fight to win.

We have fought in foreign wars since the country was founded. We fought in WW1 and WW2, and we won, but, we didn't really win, since what was won was the peace in the areas of conflict. For over 80 years, we've had relative peace in those countries that we fought in, including Iraq. We continue to keep the peace in Europe and Asia and even in Africa and in our hemisphere. No big wars have come our way, and none are expected. Big wars may come our way when we abandon our policeman efforts. Our military or defense department is for 'defense' and defense is not about winning alone; it's for deterrence, and that deterrence has worked fine for over 80 years.

so, YES!!!, we've had good outcomes around the world, where relative peace is the ongoing result. Israel and Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah are always at war, but those wars are contained in that area of the world, and not spreading. We are helping Israel to win, but, it's not for us to win. We are helping Ukraine, but we are mostly funding them and providing weapons; but we are not there to get a U.S. victory. Europe will get involved before we have to enter the fight. And even then, it's not for a win for us

Without the U.S. 'winning' the peace, the world would have experienced many wars, perhaps even another world war. So, yes, we have won by preventing wars.

[JonPreston]

We don't necessarily fight to win.

In which wars did fight not to win?

[adorno]

Elections are not always fair, and the outcomes are not always fair. We know that Biden did not win, and we can take corrective actions, but, we can’t become dictators on our way to prevent election thefts. We have to make sure that every election is properly monitored and that thefts like that in 2020 never occur again.

Biden did not get 81 million votes and Trump actually got more real votes. The people made the real decision in 2020, but that decision was stolen from them. We can hope that we still have the right to vote for our preferred candidates, but, we have people on our side that don’t know how to fight back, and that could be our downfall. The enemy knows how dubious we are about fighting back, and they’ll take advantage of our fear to confront them.

[adorno]

In which wars did fight not to win?

You're being facetious and a nuisance how. I've already explained what I think we 'won' and didn't fight to win. Clear outcomes where we WIN,is not what defense is about.

A defense department from out side, is not a war department. If you need an explanation for that, then, you are just being a bigger nuisance.

[JonPreston]

You said America doesn’t always fight to win, and I asked for an example. Simple stuff.

[Allegra]

So, your verdict when it comes to Ukraine is that, we have to stop all funding because there are corrupt parties there and perhaps in the U.S.? Your verdict is that, we have to decide to let Ukraine be taken over by Russia, and that’s that?

LOL - the last-ditch “So…” tactic. 10 points!

I told you, I am impervious to Ukrainian snow jobs.

[adorno]

You said America doesn’t always fight to win, and I asked for an example. Simple stuff.

Simple stuff, but too hard for you to understand. I've already explained how and why the U.S. is not always in the fight to win. Re-read what I've said, and hopefully you won't find it too difficult to understand what I've already said. My 10-year old granddaughter says she'd be happy to explain it to you if you still can't understand what I've said many times already.

[adorno]

I told you, I am impervious to Ukrainian snow jobs.

Exactly what I expected from the likes of you. Being close-minded is no way to approach a very important subject. Calling it a 'snow job' is a way of protecting yourself from having to examine a subject with a more serious mindset.

[JonPreston]

I've already explained how and why the U.S. is not always in the fight to win

Give us an example

[adorno]

Give us an example

Let me know when you get an open mind, and I might think about helping you out. Till then, get lost!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

You score!!!!!!

10POINTS!

[Allegra]

You’re just mad because you dislike conservatives and you know deep down that I’m right. You probably don’t like Americans. I know a lot of Ukrainians don’t.

Calling it a 'snow job' is a way of protecting yourself from having to examine a subject with a more serious mindset.

You sound butt-hurt, Mrs. Pelosi. 😄

[Allegra]

This one’s big mad. 😂

[adorno]

You sound butt-hurt, Mrs. Pelosi.

You sound very idiotic, and your comments before this had to have been composed by a complete moron. So, go ahead and point this comment to Jim, and perhaps he'll see that you can't hold a decent conversation and that your only method of arguing is by resorting to insults. Remember to tell Jim that it was you that started this line of idiotic insults.