The Man Who Killed Richard III [Tubi, 48 min]

Tubi ^ | 2015 | Starring:Elin Rhys, Directed by:W. Dyfrig Davies

[SunkenCiv]

This is a story of conspiracy and betrayal, of a lust for power and a lost allegiance; the story of the man who killed King Richard III. In this documentary we set out to prove that the Welshman Sir Rhys ap Thomas, master of Carew Castle in Pembrokeshire, killed King Richard III, changing the course of British history. We uncover what drove him Rhys ap Thomas to betray not only his master but a King – and we reveal his remarkable story; from a childhood embroiled in the War of the Roses and exile to the continent, to a determined and ambitious man who brought an abrupt end to the Plantagenet line, carving the way for his own rise to power at the heart of the Tudor dynasty.

The Man Who Killed Richard III |

[SunkenCiv]

An oathbreaker, he got richly rewarded by Henry Tudor (the VIIth, usurper) but lost his own son in later years, and left his riches to his grandson.

True to form, the son of Henry VII, Henry VIIIth, decided the grandson was a traitor and had him executed. :^)

Crime pays, you just have to be the payee. :^D

These topics about R3 and H7 and the Tudors in general tend to bring some amusingly bitter feelings to the surface, at least for the advocates of the Tudors. Richard III was the legit monarch, but was murdered on the field by a traitor. As a consequence of this, the Tudors ruled for just five monarchs, and on a more humble note, led to my own birth. :^) So mind your tongues and tempers please.

[SunkenCiv]

He later leased Carew castle; it's still in the Carew family's possession, but Nicholas Carew, longtime friend of Henry VIII, found out that and a few shillings would get him a hot cup o' tea. Also, beheaded. Carew's son relied on the kindness of friends and family during his years of fighting to get his inheritance reinstated, and when he won his case, he adopted his sister's son (he already had been his namesake) who adopted the Carew name. A daughter (and this adopted kid's sister) was later married to Sir Walter Raleigh. I didn't look any of this up, this is from memory, so, grain of salt.

[aynrandfreak]

Is it good?

[ComputerGuy]

PFL

[SunkenCiv]

I thought so, else I wouldn't have posted it. I didn't watch most of it, only listened to it from this room. Tubi's loaded up with documentaries, it turns out, and will feed additional ones all day long, one about Anne Boleyn popped up after I listened to a flakey one about how Henry VIIIth's ghost still haunts his palaces (almost all of which have vanished, and the rest have been greatly altered). Turned out to be some kind of British eccentric's apologia for Hank's craziness. :^)

[Beowulf9]

Henry VIII sure had no qualms about putting people to bloody deaths yet considered himself a very pious man and representative of God. This after he divorced his wife because he was desirous to marry his girlfriend. He sired children through affairs while married to his first wife.

How did he ever work it out he was so pious?

[Red Badger]

I thought Black Adder killed Richard III........

[Pilsner]

I thought Black Adder killed Richard III........

He did, leading to the Glorious Reign of Richard IV.

[dfwgator]

We’ve seen the last of good, King Richard
Ring out the past, his name lives on and on
Roll out the bones and raise up your pitcher
Raise up your glass to good King John

[SunkenCiv]

He wanted to ensure at least one son to succeed him. His training was to become Archbishop of Canturbury, but his elder brother died in his teens, so he wound up religiously educated but the secular ruler. When he was denied an annulment, he took over the English church, being better qualified to lead it than the Medici pope.

Of course, piety and atrocities go hand in hand regardless.

[Beowulf9]

“piety and atrocities go hand in hand”

I take it you mean that sarcastically?

Yes, I know why he did it but that doesn’t excuse it. Nor does it make it right. He was ruthless. He had one person boiled to death. He was a horror.

The Pope in Rome may not have been perfect or anywhere near it but the qualifications for those positions is you are supposed to be quite pure, saint like, and approved because of by God.

No way did Henry fit that role. He just appointed himself.