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“The existence of viruses as causative, contagious agents of disease has been debated since Louis Pasteur and Antoine Béchamp in the 1860’s. Fast forward to the present time and we find that no virus taken from a human has ever been isolated. In fact, no one has ever seen a virus of any kind. They are all imaginary. Today, all are created in silicone” asserts Kyle Young. Yet, the virus, no virus dichotomy has continued and those most concerned about the no virus view according to Kyle, “seems to be those who have awakened enough to understand the problems associated with the current jab /lockdown /mask/ closure/ mandate agenda, but have not yet awakened to the fact that all of this has occurred because of an unfounded fear of viruses (germs)” (source).
‘I’ve read the original paper from the institute in Wuhan that purports to describe the covid-19 virus. It’s a reductionist nightmare involving chemicals, non human cells and computer generated gobbledygook.’ he says, continuing “The idea of whole systems biology is lost on virologists. ‘Their income depends on perpetuating the virus myth. Indeed, the entire pharmaceutical vaccine industry depends on perpetuating this myth.”
Kyle Young recognises that it is more than a myth. It’s also a fear tactic. and as long as people can be convinced that viruses exist, whether natural or man made, there will be huge profits to be made by generating fear to get people to line up for more harmful vaccines, vaccines which make more people sick.”
“Millions of sick people is exactly what the medical industrial complex needs to feed the machine. If viruses do not exist, how can they be manipulated? How can they be engineered in a lab?”
While it is a given now among the self professed awake that we are being lied to, they are not prepared to entertain the idea that the Pasteurian theory has been one of those lies and would rather continue to push the global cult’s cash cow. but just as Kyle Young says “unlike many in the pro-virus camp, no one in the no-virus camp is protecting a position that makes them money.” He names three most prominent people in the no-virus camp Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman and Stefan Lanka PhD. and “other notables” are; Marc McDonald MD, Peggy Hall, Mark and Samantha Bailey MD’s, Sally Fallon, Alphonse Faggiolo, Barre Lando MD, Kelly Brogan MD, Veda Austin, Tony Roman, Sayer Ji, to name but a few. “These people have given up so much to speak the truth, which is one of the ways we know they’re on the right path.” he says.
Kyle Young explains why he is so passionate about this topic in the article below which was originally published in his Substack The Secular Heretic.
Germ Warfare.
Written by Kyle Young
As regular readers know, over the past 1.75 years I’ve written a number of articles questioning the official narrative about germ theory. This is not another one. Today we’ll be considering those who don’t question it and asking why not.
But first, I hope you will allow me to give a brief explanation of why I’m so passionate about this topic.
Somewhere in the first decade or so of my 35 year long history of dealing with gut issues I began to realize that most of what I had been told all my life about health, previous to that point, was bull hooey. Early in that unlearning/relearning process I became aware of the debate between Luis Pasteur and Antoine Béchamp that took place in the mid 1800’s, a debate about what was more important, the terrain or germs.
The modern allopathic, ‘germ theory’ based medical system misdiagnosed my illness as giardia and treated me for that, when all along I was suffering from IBS. The result was that they nearly succeeded in putting me in an early grave.
Once I began to read and understand more about the terrain, transitioning to terrain theory seemed right as rain. Because of my gut issues it was easy for me to understand how I had not provided a very good habitat (terrain) for my gut microbiome for much of my early life and that I needed to work on that. Although efforts to improve my terrain have paid off in spades, it’s a very complex subject and I’m still learning more all the time (source).
The Current Issue
But to get to the heart of how I came to my current position and how and when the recent debate over germ theory began, we need to fast forward to the Health and Freedom Summit in June of 2020 in Tucson, Arizona, right when much of the world was gripped by the covid fear porn being spread by mass media. Dr. Tom Cowan gave a presentation at that Summit in which he questioned the science behind germ theory. A video of that presentation was posted on youtube where it promptly went viral, which set the current debate in motion.
That video was also one of the first (if not the first) videos questioning the official narrative about covid and viruses, that was censored (taken down) by Google/Youtube. They were too late. The seed had been planted and was already beginning to germinate. There are millions of people like myself who have suffered severe consequences from the allopathic, anti-life, antibiotic mind set of the medical-industrial-complex and many of them immediately resonated with Dr. Cowans presentation. For me, his presentation clarified my understanding of why germ theory is off-base and how this was used to take most of my life savings and put me at deaths door (source)
Full disclosure: Because of our common interest in the work of Rudolf Seiner, about 6 years ago Dr. Cowan and I began emailing each other after an interview he did with Dr. Mercola. Long story short, that led to me supplying him with moringa from Mexico and local cholla buds for his plant powder business. I then had no contact with him for about 5 years until we did this interview in October of 2021. We have not communicated since then, although I would like to interview him again.
Dr. Cowan’s 6/20 presentation led to a number of collaborations with other like minded doctors, many of whom have also decided to overcome their fear of being publicly chastised in favor of speaking out about the problems with germ theory and modern, allopathic medicine.
Of course, neither Dr. Cowan nor any of those other doctors came to this position on their own. Since Béchamp/Pasteur’s time there have been numerous doctors who have questioned germ theory. Many more doctors were outraged when the Rockefeller funded Flexner Report and subsequent Rockefeller funded debunking of naturopathic and homeopathic medicine was used to elevate their preferred and highly profitable petrochemical based drugs and antibiotics.
In more recent decades we have books like Say Goodbye to Germ Theory, The Contagion Myth, Invisible Rainbow, and a number of others that all question germ theory. The reality is, the scientific debate over the existence and causative effects of germs has been ongoing since the mid 1800’s. It remains an unsettled theory (source)
The Proclamation
Several weeks ago Dr. Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman and 18 of their colleagues wrote and signed a proclamation about germ theory. You can read the full document here.
This document has been successful in generating waves of both approval and consternation. It’s interesting to note that the most concerned are not the deep state officials running the big plandemic magic show. The most concerned seems to be those who have awakened enough to understand the problems associated with the current jab/lockdown/mask/closure/mandate agenda, but have not yet awakened to the fact that all of this has occurred because of an unfounded fear of viruses (germs).
In this previous piece I talked about the two camps that are at odds in this debate. On the side questioning the current ‘official’ virus narrative are all the above signatories of the proclamation, as well as many others.
On the side that backs the ‘official’ virus narrative, but takes a less favorable approach to the rest of the covid agenda, you have Steve Kirsch, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (who has said he supports vaccines in general), Robert Malone and a number of other prominent outspoken critics of the covid plandemic who are, confusingly, supportive of vaccines in general (both Kirsch and Malone took the covid jabs) (source)
Kirsch
As far as this last group is concerned, when it comes to defending germ theory and attempting to debunk the Dr. Cowans of the world, Steve Kirsch has been one of the most outspoken critics, having written numerous articles on the topic in recent months. His most recent one, published on 8/1, was also his most scathing.
In that piece, Kirsch spends a lot of capitol supporting the “100 years of scientific research” into viruses and their causative nature. Lest we forget, this is the very time period when medicine was being rewritten and revamped, all courtesy of the Rockefeller Foundation. I would suggest that to get up to speed with how we came to have our current medical system, Kirsch watch this documentary.
He has also failed to consider that this scientific debate is far from settled, that it has been ongoing since the mid 1800’s.
Furthermore, his defense of “the science” is unrelenting – so much so that it reminds me of something Dr. Anthony Fauci said about science.
“Attacks on me, quite frankly, are attacks on science. … So if you are trying to, you know, get at me as a public health official and scientist, you’re really attacking not only Dr. Anthony Fauci, you’re attacking science … You have to be asleep not to see that.” — National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, “Meet the Press,” June 9, 2021
Here is what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said about Fauci’s statement.
“It is troubling enough that Dr. Anthony Fauci, our country’s leading public health technocrat and the fiat leader of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) — the world’s principal funder of scientific research — would make such a narcissistic and scientifically absurd statement.”
At this point a question comes begging: What science are we talking about? As we all know, science is malleable, or at least it’s supposed to be. In the ideal world science is an ongoing work in progress that evolves with increased knowledge and understanding. Its foundation is the idea that all theories are to be questioned until proven.
Unfortunately, it no longer works that way. Today science is a commodity bought and traded like stocks, wheat and pork bellies. That this is antithetical to our Constitutional right to freedom and liberty has been made very clear by the death and destruction that has occurred due to the war against humanity under the guise of the medical-science-driven covid pandemic.
All of this was foreseen and predicted in 1962 by one of our greatest presidents (and fellow Kansan), Dwight D. Eisenhower.
“The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. … We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. …”
“In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government. … The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded. …
“We must … be alert to the … danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
It would seem that the covid plandemic has brought about the very captivity that Eisenhower warned about. More to the point at hand, this is the very science that Steve Kirsch wants us to believe – science instigated and paid for under government contracts generated by deep-state bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci who oversaw research projects run by people like Robert Malone.
In an open and free society, we would be giving equal consideration to independent, non-governmental, non-corporate funded research done by groups of folks similar to those who signed the Proclamation.
Given the fact that Eisenhower’s warnings have come to pass, and given the current shambles that have come about due to the covid plandemic, it seems the time has come to disband all of those unconstitutional, government agencies.
Gut the beast!
Jon Rappaport, who predates me as a debunker of germ theory, has also weighed in on this debate, rightly pointing out the procedural flaws used in the studies Kirsch points to.
I have to say, it seems Dr. Cowan has a better handle on the fact that science is not always an etched-in-stone truth. Unlike Kirsch, rather than constantly pointing to ‘the science’, he often repeats the need to ‘question the science’ and highlights numerous reasons why. This is the truly scientific approach. Science is an ongoing work in progress that evolves with increased knowledge and understanding. Its hallmark is the idea that all theories are to be questioned. As the doctors who signed the proclamation make clear, germ ‘theory’ has not yet been proven (source).
Why Sit on the Fence?
We know that Kirsch and Malone are aligned because of an interview they did together with Bret Weinstein, which I posted here on 6/27/21. That video also went viral and elevated both Kirsch and Malone to their current careers as ‘authorities’ questioning the covid narrative. Malone has made clear that he still has business interests connected to the virus industry. I can’t speak for Kirsch in that regard.
Speaking of investments, Kirsch has put a million dollars on the table for anyone who can beat him in a debate about this topic. He claims that because neither Dr. Cowan or any of the others have taken up his offer that that proves he is right and they are wrong. This is fallacious because it’s circular reasoning. Proving a premise is right by using the premise to prove it’s right is not science.
In this video of Dr. Cowan talking about the Proclamation with several of the signatories, he mentions in passing that he was bushwhacked in a recent debate by someone who he was not told was going to be part of the debate, showing up in the debate. I would also be gun-shy about public debates after such a thing.
Apart from that, it’s easy to foresee that Kirsch would present a lot of peer reviewed articles from medical journals to make his case. The problem with this approach is that it falls very nicely into the established framework created by those deep state powers that Eisenhower warned us about. It also ignores the corruption that exists within the world of medical journals, again, due to that corrupt, deep state, power structure.
Sadly, there is little to no profit to be made using terrain theory, so it doesn’t get funded. Because of this corrupt power structure, the amount of peer reviewed articles on terrain theory are slim to none, so Kirsch’s opponent would automatically be at a disadvantage. I have to think Kirsch knows this.
And then there is the money issue. Using money to justify an argument is a ponzi scheme as old as the hills. Those who choose to use it need to examine their morals, especially as they pertain to scientific debate.
Are Kirsch, Malone and their ilk concerned that if we take viruses out of the picture that the entire allopathic, antibiotic, vaccine, medical industrial complex will collapse? It becomes apparent that the only reason to continue to embrace germ theory and suppress other ideas is to maintain the status quo on behalf of those who are, in some fashion, profiting the from germ-theory-driven, deep state, medical industrial complex. Eisenhower was right. The influence of money and power has completely skewed how we perceive medicine… to our detriment.
We also need to consider the face saving angle. If the terrain theory were to gain some approval, those who have put all their chips on the germ theory hand will have to eat cake.
Because Kirsch is so confident in his version of “the science”, he has said that the article I referenced will be his last on the topic. Wow. That’s akin to the Vatican saying Copernicus is wrong, that the sun rotates around the earth and that’s the end of it. No more discussion needed. Copernicus was thrown in the dungeon for presenting a scientific theory that everyone now agrees is fact.
The problem then was religious control – by the Church. The problem now is religious control – by the religion of “the science”. Fauci preaches it, Malone preaches it, Kirsch preaches it. Go against the official religion and like Copernicus, you get shamed, censored, banned, blacklisted, shut down, or… murdered (Dr. Kary Mullis? and others).
My position is, we are just scratching the surface of what there is to learn and I’m looking forward to learning more. I’ll be writing more about this as the power base of money, influence and power becomes eroded, as opinions shift – and they will – and as knowledge and understanding changes. Do I see an end to this process? No. If history has taught us anything it’s that knowledge and understanding is never stagnant, it’s always in flux. Unlike Kirsch, I’ll likely be writing about this until I become fodder for earthworms (source)
Kyle Young Interviews Dr Tom Cowan.
“A mind bending discussion”
Kyle interviewed Dr Tom Cowan which he published in 2021 and introduced the video which can be seen below by saying: “Some might think of Dr. Cowan as someone who functions outside the box. Although he certainly does that, I think his true gift is the ability to use truth, science, facts and practicality to break through the shield wall that’s been funded over the past 75 years by the pharmaceutical cartels to keep doctors cloistered within the official narrative. “
This works due to the negative consequences venturing outside the cloister has on their careers. I think this interview provides a good example of how passionate Dr. Cowan is about getting to the truth – which means he’s not afraid to consider questions and look deeply into topics that others fear to consider.
“Perhaps if more doctors today had Dr. Cowans’ curiosity and integrity we wouldn’t be in the midst of this manufactured crises.“
In my opinion, this article gets off to a rough start with the citizen journalist asserting viral theory is 'imaginary'; for that reason I almost abandoned it. But further down he begins citing research which I found interesting, and which clarifies the issues surrounding the classification of genetic material as a 'virus'. I skipped ahead to a key linked document and found the propsed identity of what is currently classified as a virus.
14 July 2022
SETTLING THE VIRUS DEBATE
“A small parasite consisting of nucleic acid (RNA or DNA) enclosed in a protein coat that can replicate only in a susceptible host cell.”1
https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/media/SETTLING-THE-VIRUS-DEBATE-Source.pdf?_kx=6wx5Rny-mtgPr3k_R1W1IostUoGPKGhVhhCsIc-YMqI%3D.UpXyYd
Author's website:
https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/settling-the-virus-debate
I think the linked PDF in this comment post makes sensible recommendations to study and settle the debate once and for all - study it and settle it. Why not?This 'parasite' definition for virus gave me pause because of the attack and denial of Ivermectin to the masses, an anti parasitic.
Also, some here may remember articles by Dr. Lee Merrit during the Covid plandemic. When she was first quoted on FR threads, she was a back surgeon telling the public about products like Ivermectin and NAC, no doubt earning her the wrath of the medical regime. The last article I saw of hers online was her assertion that illness (either Covid and or cancer, I forget) was actually due to parasites, and she detailed the anti-parasitic regime she followed. So Ivermectin and 'parasitic' disease caught my eye.
I passed up the OP article at first, until I came to believe that some trolling directed at me in the last few days was specifically a setup to prevent me from posting this article if I saw it.
So I went back to the article, read it, found that the citizen journalist cited sources and research worth my time to review, and posted it.
I posted during the plandemic that the Covid virus had not been isolated, even though MSM sources insist it has, because China, the CDC's (PCR test), and the Covid 'vaccines' (Pfizer, Moderna) all said that an isolated sample of the Covid virus was 'unavailable' for their use. I received furious FR posts claiming the Covid virus had been isolated world-wide on a regular basis, but when I asked why 'everyone has it!' but no one used it throughout a supposedly existential threat, the room fell silent. (the vaccine, the PCR used to 'prove' the vaccine worked in trials, the PCR test used to drive lockdowns and diagnose illness and death rates for Covid, were all based on a 'related corona virus' not the Covid virus).
Traditionally the virus must be isolated (pure sample) and the sample is used to expose a patient to the illness; if the patient contracts the illness after exposure to an isolated sample, the cause/effect of the pathogen behind an illness is experimentally confirmed. THere's no explanation why China, the CDC, pharmas, the FDA couldn't obtain an isolated sample for use in managing the plandemic, or why they resorted to a 'related corona virus' when influenza is a corona virus which may therefore be mistaken for Covid.
Dr. Mikovits, who unfortunately crossed the will of Fauci and paid with her career, reputation, said she developed a cell line when she worked for the CDC which is used to test drugs. She searched through the pandemic research documentation of researchers claiming that they used an isolated sample of the Covid virus in their research (which was somehow unavailable to the CDC?). Every time she dug down below the layers of documentation, she found the code she originally used to identify the monkey vero kidney cell line she developed; in every case, she found the Covid viral research was performed on vero monkey kidney cells and not demonstrated to occur outside those cells, (virus not tested on human cells).
Mikovits also found that some researchers claimed to use an isolated Covid sample but in fact used a 'lavage' or a mixture of different kinds of viruses and bacteria - which is insufficient to prove which pathogen caused what illness.
The process of testing a person with an isolated virus to identify the causative pathogen is part of what is known as Koch's Postulate, which was an approach refined and published in 1890. I learned this from a fellow FReeper and started referring to that postulate (isolate and test) in posts. This is the method used to identify which pathogen caused which disease.
Obviously in a pandemic, Koch's Postulates may be adapted for use. Even patients who don't become ill because their immune system fought off the Covid virus successfully may have specimens of a virus in their bodies. Medical application changes over time and it's been over 150 years since the postulates were first developed.The parts that remain the same are a) isolate the virus and b) test patients to see if that isolated virus causes that disease.
There are naturally other ways that Koch's postulate is adapted to reality on the ground. However, for quite some time, the 'gold standard' or 'Standard Operating Procedure' for medical research is a) isolate the virus b) expose the patients c) if the disease in question develops in the test patients, the cause and effect pathogen behind the illness is confirmed. There are no circumstances which prevented China, Pfizer, Moderna or the CDC/NIH from Koch's 2nd and 3rd postulate: isolating the virus and testing to see if it is the correct pathogen creating the Covid illness.
Someone posted to me ridiculing my ignorance for 'not knowing' Koch's postulate doesn't work with viruses. The cited document in that post, and indeed the entire post doesn't prove anything - it cites ways in which rigid adherence to Koch's Postulate doesn't work, and shows it must be adapted to fit reality. The argument in the post was 'it doesn't work for viruses' when in reality, as other sources note, it's rigid application can't always be accomplished (e.g., Postulate 1 - testing everyone who DOESN"T have the disease to prove they don't have the virus is not possible).
Why didn't anyone tell the NIH that Koch's Postulate doesn't work on viruses before they used it to identify the SARS virus, or the other viruses in the search results I found?
I checked google and found instances of the principle of isolating a virus in order to prove it was the cause of illness, and I also found that some definitions for Koch's Postulate specify microbes.
According to the OP article, the germ theory debate actually started in the 1800s; my first encounter with the battle over germ theory was in the 1980s, and it rarely bobs to the surface; it's the classic forbidden topic (a '3rd rail'). Any doctor/researcher who 'goes there' will be treated worse than a doctor who tries to prescribe Ivermectin.
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YOU MAY WANT TO READ POST 1 before to learn my reasons for posting before deciding whether or not to read the article.
Surprisingly, straight laced Puritain leader Cotton Mather was its strongest proponent:
A promoter of the new experimental science in America, Cotton Mather carried out original research on plant hybridization. He also researched the variolation method of inoculation as a means of preventing smallpox contagion, which he learned about from an African-American slave who he owned, Onesimus. He dispatched many reports on scientific matters to the Royal Society of London, which elected him as a fellow in 1713. [Wikipedia]
And electron microscopes CAN see viruses.
One can believe in the germ theory of disease and still recognize the fraud that the Covid pandemic was.
no virus taken from a human has ever been isolated.
Hospital diagnostic labs do this every day. The statement is beyond silly.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Germ Warfare – The Internecine Battle Over Germ Theory is Ratcheting Up!, Chad C. Mulligan wrote: I stopped reading at: no virus taken from a human has ever been isolated.
Hospital diagnostic labs do this every day. The statement is beyond silly.
Yes, I did too at first. But I went back and read the article (see my post #1). He is disputing the classification of 'virus' but he does it in a way that doesn't make sense, "No virus taken from a human". Instead, I focused on the doctors he cites and their position in this age old battle.
Some of the never seen viruses. /s
I know Transmission electron microscopy (TEM) is used to image viruses. I think there may be some things classified as viruses that don't belong in the classification.
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