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The F-35’s Torturous Development Road Is Mercifully Over, 10 Years Late
Popular Mechanics ^ | 3/12/24 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 03/22/2024 4:26:36 AM PDT by airdalecheif

The Pentagon has finally declared the F-35 fighter mature enough to go into full rate production.

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The Pentagon has given its blessing to the F-35 Lightning II fighter program, clearing the way for the jet to shift from partial to full rate production. The move comes ten years later than originally anticipated.
1 posted on 03/22/2024 4:26:36 AM PDT by airdalecheif
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To: airdalecheif

I’m sure new problems will arise.


2 posted on 03/22/2024 4:30:25 AM PDT by Jonty30 (I may not know as much american history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: airdalecheif

Just in time to be rendered obsolete in the age of drone warfare.


3 posted on 03/22/2024 4:31:20 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Tonight on The Bickersons... )
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To: airdalecheif

Experts call the 35 a flying pig.....


4 posted on 03/22/2024 4:33:57 AM PDT by ganeemead (everything )
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To: airdalecheif

Hopefully the Navy does not have to buy any of these.


5 posted on 03/22/2024 4:49:56 AM PDT by microgood
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To: Sirius Lee

Do we have an older plane already existing and vetted that does almost as much as the F35 lightning II but much cheaper to make more of and maintain? Or is the F-35 so heads and shoulders better than anything we’ve ever had that it is essential for us, warts and all? Why do we develop and procure military vehicles this way?


6 posted on 03/22/2024 5:00:22 AM PDT by desertsolitaire
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To: airdalecheif

It would be better to build dozens of Super Warthogs (A-10 II) for the cost of one F-35. In a fight one lucky shot disables the billion dollar F-35 and the missile battery continues on. Conversely should a lucky shot take down a Warthog, the rest of the Warthogs descend on the missile battery and destroy it and much of the area surrounding it.


7 posted on 03/22/2024 5:05:27 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (Cho Bi Dung and KamalHo are not my leaders.)
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To: ganeemead

I live across the river from a Naval Air Station.....recently a squadron of F-35s was here for a week.......I know its the sound of freedom, however man, are they LOUD.


8 posted on 03/22/2024 5:17:07 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: desertsolitaire
Tons of great F 15s and 16s squandered in the boneyard.


9 posted on 03/22/2024 5:18:04 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: airdalecheif

Time to come up with a new flying boondoggle.


10 posted on 03/22/2024 5:27:12 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: desertsolitaire
Do we have an older plane already existing and vetted that does almost as much as the F35 lightning II but much cheaper to make more of and maintain?

You're looking backwards, not forwards.

Or is the F-35 so heads and shoulders better than anything we’ve ever had that it is essential for us, warts and all?

The point is that drone swarms are to manned fighter jets what aircraft were to battleships of the late 20th century. A kid with a joystick sitting in a bunker in Nevada can inflict more damage than a manned fighter.

11 posted on 03/22/2024 5:54:29 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Tonight on The Bickersons... )
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To: Sirius Lee

I suppose drone swarms technology and methods will also evolve and improve, perhaps faster than the F-35 and other plans, (and naval vessels) are able to counter them. Not surprising since the design of planes and ships were aimed at fighting and defending against other planes and ships, and to some extent missiles coming at them, torpedoes, mines and the like. Swarms of drones will at some point be able to overwhelm anything those planes and ships (and tanks) could carry aboard them to defend themselves. Unless drones could be effectively jammed and rendered inoperable they will be a potent new attack method. And then there’s the concept already deployed of old/new technology “wired” drones that are unjammable and have longer and longer ranges. Like our old T.O.W. anti-tank wired missiles.


12 posted on 03/22/2024 6:33:34 AM PDT by desertsolitaire
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To: airdalecheif

Check out F-35s flying through the Mach Loop in Wales:
https://duckduckgo.com/?va=i&t=hb&q=mach+loop+videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DitwdxUm9Pxc


13 posted on 03/22/2024 6:46:24 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: desertsolitaire

drones have one distinct disadvantage...7 seconds.
When the kid in Nevada throws his stick left, it takes 7 seconds for the command to reach the drone and for the drone to react.
Dead man walking.


14 posted on 03/22/2024 6:48:06 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: joe fonebone

Would moving the kid on the joystick from Nevada to near the front lines in the combat zone reduce those 7 seconds and by how much?


15 posted on 03/22/2024 6:49:44 AM PDT by desertsolitaire
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To: desertsolitaire

The command has to leave the stick in the trailer...
It then goes into space and bounces off of a satellite...
Then it gets relayed back to the drone...
Then the drone responds....

It really doesn’t matter....
The piloted craft will always have the advantage.
This is the critical weakness in the drone


16 posted on 03/22/2024 6:54:27 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: joe fonebone

Drone swarms (much touted) have disadvantages too. They require swarms of operators, and coordination between such, which requires a lot of communication, which can be disrupted.

Independently “smart” drones mitigate part of that, and create other challenges.

Now, that said, fighter aircraft not constrained by the pilot’s ability to survive high G-forces are likely to be a big deal in the not too distant future. The question is, how long until AI can match a human pilot with many hundreds of hours of experience? It takes considerable time to train even a F-16 pilot, as we know...


17 posted on 03/22/2024 7:09:17 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: joe fonebone

Could a drone be built to be manned by one or two persons, and as such, add unpredictability to its flight path and ultimate destination that the opposition could not counter effectively? Perhaps a swarm of manned drones that overwhelm defenses and don’t have that 7 second disadvantage? Most if not all would be lost, consumed in the mission each time. Isaac Asimov, Sci Fi writer, wrote about using manned missiles as a breakthrough technology against every more precise computerized unmanned drones and missiles. What is old in new again, eh?


18 posted on 03/22/2024 7:15:58 AM PDT by desertsolitaire
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