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Not everyone mourns the queen. For many, she can't be separated from colonial rule
NPR ^ | 9/12/22 | Julianna Kim

Posted on 02/15/2024 1:23:33 PM PST by DallasBiff

When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands. ,p> While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.p>

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To: NorthMountain

I don’t understand your point.

You want a monarchy?


21 posted on 02/15/2024 2:15:51 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to selleY)
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To: DallasBiff
Many countries were,at one time or another,a colony of a European country. Britain,France,Spain,Portugal,the Netherlands and Germany all had colonies.

If you look at those former colonies today the ones that are in the best shape...politically and economically...are the colonies of Britain.

22 posted on 02/15/2024 2:31:14 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Proudly Clinging To My Guns And My Religion)
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To: Salman

The British outlawed slavery trade about 1840 or earlier.

Seems NPR doesn’t know their history or deliberately left it out of the key opening paragraphs of this smear piece.


23 posted on 02/15/2024 2:35:00 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures a)
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To: DallasBiff

That ‘s the problem with these monarchs. They try to bring stone age people up to modern standards and all those people do is cry, whine and look back at the wonderful days of being stone age troglodytes.

Same for the US when it tries the same. You should see the American Indian web pages whining and crying about how good the olden days were before the White Man arrived.

How the tribes treated each other BEFORE The White Man arrived...

https://ournativeamericans.blogspot.com/2018/07/1300s-crow-creek-massacre-in-south.html

https://www.academia.edu/7907221/Mass_Grave_at_Crow_Creek_in_South_Dakota_Reveals_How_Indians_Massacred_Indians_in_14th_Century_Attack

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/massacre-sacred-ridge

https://bonesdontlie.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/basketmaker-ii-cave-7-massacre-or-cemetery/

https://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/1991/12/01/scalping-victim/

https://www.oldwest.org/origins-of-scalping/#:~:text=Archaeologists%20Show%20Scalping%20Predated%20Columbus

https://prezi.com/z9ioohxrdgat/anasazi-cannibalism/?fallback=1

https://www.cityweekly.net/BuzzBlog/archives/2013/09/11/new-research-supports-theory-of-ancient-massacre-site-in-utah

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39268873

https://www.historynet.com/when-the-sioux-ambushed-pawnee-hunters-at-massacre-canyon/

https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/trail_dust/trail-dust-massacre-at-awatovi-is-little-known-act-of-genocide/article_7231e60b-9897-50bc-992d-8d5344685d4c.html

http://www.dickshovel.com/scalp.html

https://lostworlds.org/ancient-massacre-discovered-in-new-mexico-was-it-genocide/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/01/tower-human-skulls-mexico-city-aztec-sacrifices?CMP=share_btn_tw&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

https://www.archaeology.org/news/2269-140630-colorado-torture-evidence

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/sacrifice-victims-cahokia-were-locals-not-foreign-captives-003685

https://soar.wichita.edu/bitstream/handle/10057/6098/t12010s_DAVIS_Ivy_SP2012.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=n

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1593823

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/archeologists-find-evidence-torture-1200-year-old-massacre-180951922/

https://archive.archaeology.org/9709/newsbriefs/anasazi.html

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/04/mass-child-human-animal-sacrifice-peru-chimu-science/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-skulls-not-crime-scene-human-sacrifice-ad-900/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexican-site-reveals-brutal-sacrifice-of-spanish-conquistadors/

https://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/2007/07/16/parallel-life-and-death-1275-ad-massacred-gallina-and-vanishing-anasazi/

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1988/02/28/trail-of-tears-death-toll-myths-dispelled/62660437007/

https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=SL002

http://blogoklahoma.us/place/117/kiowa/cutthroat-gap-massacre

https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry?entry=CU012

https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry?entry=CL003


24 posted on 02/15/2024 2:36:35 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: DallasBiff

they hate white British for “racism” but they can’t wait to move to Britain. The racism is unbearable so they go to live with the alleged racists


25 posted on 02/15/2024 2:56:26 PM PST by imabadboy99
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To: MortMan
"If they were colonies when she was crowned and commonwealth when she dies, they’re mad at the wrong person.If they were colonies when she was crowned and commonwealth when she dies, they’re mad at the wrong person."

Doesn't Great Britain have a Constitutional Monarchy? And doesn't that mean that the Crown has no authority to grant independence to any of its colonies, and that the authority has to specifically come from Parliament?

26 posted on 02/15/2024 3:12:13 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

You reinforce my point. If she, as queen, had no direct control, then they are blaming the wrong person/people.


27 posted on 02/15/2024 3:14:29 PM PST by MortMan (I refuse.)
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To: DallasBiff

Yeah...because spreading institutions, like heath, education, democracy, were all so bad, including building roads, bridges, and railways.

The British gave up on slavery a long time ago, before the USA, and had their navy provide a blockade against slavery ships in the Atlantic.

These people want to make everyone default their thinking to “everything was bad” when it wasn’t that way at all. We’re there aholes? Sure. Were some bad things done? Sure - tell me ANY government in history that didn’t do bad things....but we’re supposed to linger on only the bad when Britain brought a lot to the world.


28 posted on 02/15/2024 3:38:32 PM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: DallasBiff
All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the British ever done for us?

Apologies to "Monty Python's Life of Brian" ...

29 posted on 02/15/2024 3:57:45 PM PST by BlueLancer (Think of it as evolution in action. [Oath of Fealty - Pournelle and Niven])
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To: Red6

Whoever it is, he’s got the jug ears like Hussein.


30 posted on 02/15/2024 3:58:15 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (Pets are no substitute for children)
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To: BlueLancer

South Africa?


31 posted on 02/15/2024 3:58:51 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (Pets are no substitute for children)
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To: DallasBiff

now that we taught them how to be civil and program computers, they want to kick us to the curb.

nothing new under the sun.


32 posted on 02/15/2024 3:59:24 PM PST by xoxox
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To: ifinnegan

I used the expression “the effete vestige of antique tyranny” to describe royalty during an undergraduate paper on Irish literature. I got an “A” and the prof asked me if he could steal the line. I agreed


33 posted on 02/15/2024 4:10:14 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: DallasBiff

Britain’s colonial rule is a mixed but on the whole positive legacy. The Queen was born to a role that she did not invent but filled in a mostly benevolent way. The strongest and most valid criticism of the Queen is that her investments abroad influenced her to support the open immigration policies that have wrecked Britain.


34 posted on 02/15/2024 5:00:31 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: MortMan

“If they were colonies when she was crowned and commonwealth when she dies, they’re mad at the wrong person.”
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Exactly. Also, it’s not as if she personally ordered the British Army and Navy to seize territories and make them colonies. She inherited the throne, as well as the way the world was in her youth. She didn’t make it that way. For that matter, she didn’t decolonize, either. She was a ceremonial monarch, not a political decision-maker. Why anybody would be mad at that lady, I can’t understand. I can understand British taxpayers being opposed to an entire royal family being paid millions of dollars a year and living in literal palaces at public expense, but to be angry at Queen Elizabeth for the way the world was, through no fault of her own, is sheer stupidity. As you said, they are mad at the wrong person.


35 posted on 02/15/2024 5:10:14 PM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: DallasBiff

And just how have many of those former colonies fared since gaining independence? Some of them were hellholes to begin with and have returned to such.


36 posted on 02/15/2024 5:41:03 PM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: Red6

Exactly


37 posted on 02/15/2024 5:41:56 PM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: Midwesterner53

Yes.


38 posted on 02/15/2024 5:42:44 PM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: BlueLancer

Looks like South Africa doing their best BLM!
Burn, Loot and Murder.


39 posted on 02/15/2024 7:09:03 PM PST by caver
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To: ifinnegan
I don’t understand your point.

I'm not surprised.

Think about it for a while.

40 posted on 02/15/2024 7:47:12 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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