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Advice About Tetnus Needed
Ivy Manor East, Sentani, Papua, Indonesia | Jan. 6, 2024 | Shameless Vanity

Posted on 01/06/2024 3:10:16 AM PST by Jemian

My husband and I need some medical advice.

We live in Sentani, Papua, Indonesia. One of the things we do is provide a home for two pre-teens from an even more remote location.

The boys just returned to us from spending Christmas with their family a few hours ago. We have just learned that the youngest, age 11, stepped on a nail a week ago. His family took him to a doctor and was treated. When the boy told us about it tonight at supper and mentioned he may need to have additional care here, he said that the doctor did NOT give him a tetnus shot. We, at this moment, do not know if he has even been vaccinated. We're trying to locate that information.

My question is: have we missed the window of time to get a tetnus shot? If so, what are symptoms of tetnus?

I have looked at the wound and do not see any infection. It is quite tender, but minimal, if any, swelling, no pus or discharge. Sadly, under the skin, there was an area about the size of a quarter that was filled with black sand (or gravel the size of sand). I did minimal cleansing with hydrogen peroxcide and some of the dirt was removed. Now, we're having him soak his foot in warm soapy water with about a handful of epsom salts.

Any advice? We want to help and not harm. We do live in town and can take him to a doctor tomorrow. (It is already late on Saturday night here.)


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: advicewanted; learntospell; novaccine; symptoms; tetanus; tetnus
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1 posted on 01/06/2024 3:10:16 AM PST by Jemian
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To: Jemian
Wikipedia:

"Tetanus...is a bacterial infection...characterized by muscle spasms. In the most common type, the spasms begin in the jaw, and then progress to the rest of the body. Each spasm usually lasts for a few minutes. Spasms occur frequently for three to four weeks. Some spasms may be severe enough to fracture bones. Other symptoms of tetanus may include fever, sweating, headache, trouble swallowing, high blood pressure, and a fast heart rate. Onset of symptoms is typically 3 to 21 days following infection. Recovery may take months, but about 10% of cases prove to be fatal.

Treatment

2 posted on 01/06/2024 3:15:27 AM PST by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: Jemian

as a rule of thumb, try to get the tetanus booster shot within 48 hours of the injury


3 posted on 01/06/2024 3:18:29 AM PST by no-to-illegals (The enemy has US surrounded. May God have mercy on them.)
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To: ExGeeEye

One week down, two to go. There is access here to the medicines mentioned in Wikipedia.
The Hubs and I are totally miffed that the doc in their home town did not irrigate and clean the wound.


4 posted on 01/06/2024 3:28:56 AM PST by Jemian (So many people, too few voodoo dolls)
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To: no-to-illegals

So, that window of time has closed. We’re moving on to the watch carefully period.


5 posted on 01/06/2024 3:29:52 AM PST by Jemian (So many people, too few voodoo dolls)
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To: Jemian
It is infected and needs to be opened and cleaned. Sometimes we give amoxiciĺin clavulanate to stop infection from staph or strep, but this might not kill pseudomonas so at this point he might need cipro.
Most antibiotics will stop the tetanus germ too.

It sounds like there might be a small abcess beneath the tough skin of the foot. This might have to be drained by a doctor or clinic nurse. Very painful to do without xylocaine.

If he had tetanus vaccine in the past 5 to 8 years it probably will protect him.

6 posted on 01/06/2024 3:31:09 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Jemian

Apparently there is something called TIG which acts as a prophylactic; if he has not been vaccinated, it might be worth looking into.

https://www.cdc.gov/tetanus/clinicians.html#:~:text=Persons%20who%20have%20dirty%20wounds,is%20250%20IU%20administered%20intramuscularly.


7 posted on 01/06/2024 3:36:37 AM PST by Chicory
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To: Jemian

Swedish Health Care recommendations re tetanus prophylaxis in adults with wounds:

Vaccinated against tetanus?

NO: Human immunogolubline + dose 1 of vaccination

YES:

Vaccinated 1 time: Human immunoglobuline + 2nd dose of vaccine, follow up with 3d dose 6 - 12 months later

Vaccinated twice at least 6 months since latest dose: 3d dose of vaccine

3 doses of vaccine, more than 10 years since latest dose: 4th dose of vaccine

At least 4 doses of vaccine but more than 20 years since last dose: give combinations vaccine.

OK, it may be a bit late but suggest that you contact doctor. Depending on the vaccination status of the young lad, treatment as noted above.

https://vardgivarguiden.se/globalassets/kunskapsstod/smittskydd/vaccination/stelkrampsprofylax-till-vuxna-vid-sarskada.pdf


8 posted on 01/06/2024 3:42:13 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: LadyDoc

I concur, Doctor.

I’ve had very good results with amoxicillin/clavulanate for many decades now in outpatient medicine - specifically for foot puncture wounds with and without shoes (nails going through shoes I’ve used 875mg/125mg once daily for 5 days as prophylaxis, twice daily for 7-10 days for gross contamination, lacerations, etc. Ciprofloxacin is a good alternative, or has been for organisms mentioned including pseudomonads. The Sanford Guide is your friend… I’ve carried a copy since 1987 and I could read it without glasses).

From what the OP described, this does sound like a contaminated wound, not just simple “tattooing” from carbon or plant matter/dye.

Best care is I&D/debride as necessary, antibiotics and a Tetanus toxoid booster at least if not DTaP series for a child.

I’ve seen keflex work on C. tetani infection - patient had a skin “rash” from yard work, NP in my clinic Rx’d keflex and sent out a culture (thank God), turned out to be C. tetani and he had never had a vaccine but the wounds healed without complication.


9 posted on 01/06/2024 3:49:26 AM PST by normbal (normbal. somewhere in socialist occupied America ‘tween MD and TN)
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To: LadyDoc

Thank you. We’ll get him into a clinic tomorrow. A lot of the dirt trapped under the surface layer of skin left with the soaking. We plan to have him soak the foot again tomorrow.

I was looking for a sign of an abscess. But, he did not want me probing too much and I didn’t force the issue. If it were me, I would have suffered through it. But with him, nope, I didn’t even try.

We’re still reviewing our records to find a tetanus vaccination history.

Thank you for your advice. We’re following it and getting him to the clinic tomorrow.


10 posted on 01/06/2024 3:54:08 AM PST by Jemian (So many people, too few voodoo dolls)
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To: Jemian

Advice regarding unvaccinated children: Human immunoglobulins regardless of time from injury and appearance of wound. Follow up with vaccinations.


11 posted on 01/06/2024 3:54:37 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Jemian

Unless you really can’t afford to take him to a Dr, I wouldn’t just wait & see.


12 posted on 01/06/2024 3:55:35 AM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: normbal

What is “I&D”? Irrigate and debride? That we began tonight and will continue in the morrow. The kid fell asleep before we were finished!


13 posted on 01/06/2024 3:56:27 AM PST by Jemian (So many people, too few voodoo dolls)
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To: normbal

PS, or by the way, I NEVER use hydrogen peroxide on open wounds.

Peroxide does as much tissue damage as it does bacterial action - if any. This leaves devitalized/dead tissue behind as food the remaining bacteria to feast upon.

Despite decades of surgeons, infectious disease and wound care specialists doing their best to prove one agent works better than another for cleansing wounds, what seems to come up a winner - repeatedly, in one study after another - is TAP water (in the US anyway) or just plain fresh water. Boil if you need to knowing that if water comes to a boil, it’s ALL the samme 212F temp and is sufficient to kill most common organisms. Let it cool and use that.

Tap water is chlorinated (which helps), it’s readily available, there’s plenty of it and you can adjust the temperature. Better would be normal saline or pH bufferred, but the general idea is expediency.

But peroxide? In the words of my microbiology professor in med school, “it fizzes and foams and looks like it’s doing somethign but it’s just burning tissue.” Later studies in my career have borne this out.

FWIW.


14 posted on 01/06/2024 3:57:42 AM PST by normbal (normbal. somewhere in socialist occupied America ‘tween MD and TN)
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To: nuconvert

Money is not the issue, neither for us, nor the boy’s parents. Very probably, the parents didn’t understand the seriousness. He was taken to a local clinic and, frankly, neither my hubs, nor I feel they did a thorough job. They did what any first aid provider would do.

The boys returned to us less than 12 hours ago. We just learned of this. The clinics were closing when the boy told us about his injury. We’re dealing as promptly and as efficiently as possible.

I realize that I don’t always have the latest and greatest information. That is why I asked the questions here. I appreciate all the advice given and will be following it.


15 posted on 01/06/2024 4:01:23 AM PST by Jemian (So many people, too few voodoo dolls)
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To: normbal

“Peroxide does as much tissue damage as it does bacterial action - if any. “

An ER doctor told Hubby that a few weeks ago. We were surprised.


16 posted on 01/06/2024 4:06:04 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ("A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.")
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To: MayflowerMadam; normbal

That is news to me as well. I’ve used peroxide since the early 60s. I’ll have to get my brain wrapped around that one.


17 posted on 01/06/2024 4:12:56 AM PST by Jemian (So many people, too few voodoo dolls)
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To: Jemian

Get him in to see a doctor.


18 posted on 01/06/2024 4:13:40 AM PST by GOPJ (FoxNews Lawrence Jones needs to visit Black, Hispanic and Asian breakfast places. Time to get real)
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Good to hear. Good luck


19 posted on 01/06/2024 4:19:08 AM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: Jemian

I have used diluted peroxide on my dog’s wounds in the past without problems, but the Vet said never to use it undiluted (very diluted). I would assume it’s the same for people. Instead of peroxide, now I use diluted Betadine antiseptic on the dog wounds and have even put a tiny bit in my Neti Pot for sinus issues. Peroxide is what people used WAY back when nothing else was available and it was cheap. There are better things now.


20 posted on 01/06/2024 4:20:22 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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