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Where Was the Israeli Military?
NYT via DNyuz ^ | 12/30/2023 | Adam Goldman, Ronen Bergman, Mark Mazzetti, Natan Odenheimer, Alexander Cardia, Ainara Tiefenthäler

Posted on 12/31/2023 8:00:55 AM PST by logi_cal869

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To: EinNYC

Too many folks may have lost their own personal sense of right and wrong let their resentments and hatreds of Benjamin Netanyahu get the best of them.

Many stories published since 10/7 some women acting as spotters claiming the male officer’s superior to them weren’t listening to their concerns.

If so, why did they dismiss what the troops out there were seeing?


41 posted on 12/31/2023 11:37:51 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: MNDude

“How Hamas was able to smuggle thousands of missiles inside their secured walls.”

They make the missiles themselves I believe.


42 posted on 12/31/2023 11:57:42 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: logi_cal869

The Israeli villages were a few miles from Gaza - a quick ride by motorbike.

Asking the IDF to keep people living near jihadists safe is like depending on police to keep you safe.

People need their own means of self-defense. Bad people can bust in your door before the police can put down a donut. Police are a deterrent, but not a preventative.


43 posted on 12/31/2023 12:03:14 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: logi_cal869

The Israelis could put sensors by the roads near their borders.

Any large metal thing moving could be detected and an image of it place on an Israeli screen.


44 posted on 12/31/2023 12:07:30 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: logi_cal869

the Israeli intel and security chiefs Haliva and Bar have taken responsibility for breakdown. over the last few years under Lapid Bennett the IDF was downsized, apparently not to good effect. the inquiry should be interesting.


45 posted on 12/31/2023 12:43:47 PM PST by avital2 ("n)
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To: Chainmail
But it's also abundantly clear that the IDF and the intel leaders failed miserably (like 9/11)

FULL STOP

I disagree vehemently with the assertion that our IC 'failed'.

You need to watch this:

A Good American


46 posted on 01/01/2024 6:01:49 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Alberta's Child

No, no, no! All the best conspiracy theorists on FR (see below) are sure Bibi Netanyahu knew about the attacks in advance and let them happen, killing 1,200 of his own citizens because he could then attack Hamas in Gaza. He’s just sneaky and shifty that way:

“Seems like the whole invasion was allowed so Israel could clear out Gaza.”

100 posted on 12/31/2023, 8:34:27 PM by dragonblustar

“So israel government somehow misses all the warning signs that thousand terrorists are about to cross their border, although Egypt warned them. But it all works out for them in the end, other western countries will take their wonderful Palestinians for them.”

90 posted on 12/31/2023, 4:18:45 PM by MNDude

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4206979/posts?page=100#100

Evidence, schmevidence!


47 posted on 01/01/2024 6:12:59 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“the Israeli military knew and sacrificing 1200 Israelis to end Hamas once and for all was worth the risk.”

Do you have any evidence they chose to sacrifice their own citizens, or did you just make that up?


48 posted on 01/01/2024 6:15:37 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: Gene Eric

“I bet they knew”

Do you have any evidence that Netanyahu knew the attack was coming and allowed it to be unopposed?


49 posted on 01/01/2024 6:18:16 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: logi_cal869

There it is! 9/11 and 10/7 Truthers unite!

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50 posted on 01/01/2024 6:20:24 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: MNDude

“Like USA, a lot of traitors within the Israeli government, possibly to the very top.”

I look forward to any evidence you may have to back up this explosive charge.


51 posted on 01/01/2024 6:24:48 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: logi_cal869
I'm not surprised that the same LAAP-dog media that covered up for Bill Clinton's "wall of separation" between US intel agencies to keep them from discovering his foreign campaign finance abuses that led to their blindness to 9/11 is now blaming Netanyahu for missing the signs for October 7.

Netanyahu has been relentlessly distracted by his own DoJ that lawfared him out of office, that continued after the Israeli people voted him back in.

-PJ

52 posted on 01/01/2024 6:26:15 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: logi_cal869

Yes, it’s called being caught with your pants around your ankles and you need to run, fast!!


53 posted on 01/01/2024 6:26:42 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The Bible speaks truth! Don't believe it, you do so at your own peril. You'd better be right!!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

So, apparently you need to watch this, too

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4206923/posts?page=46#46


54 posted on 01/01/2024 6:26:44 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: cherry

“I think it was allowed....”

Do you have any evidence of that or did you just make it up?


55 posted on 01/01/2024 6:26:44 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: logi_cal869

So -

Over 1,200 Israelis were brutally raped, tortured, and murdered and the IDF was asleep in their bunks, their command center unable to communicate with anyone, and the only roads in were blocked and the stalwart rescue troops stopped when they hit roadblocks - and you’re saying it was somebody else’s fault?

You should be putting whoever couldn’t see this coming/ignored the intercepts up against a wall, not blaming us.


56 posted on 01/01/2024 6:40:59 PM PST by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Chainmail

I’m glad that you put that comment in-forum, because nobody would ever believe me otherwise...


57 posted on 01/01/2024 7:10:41 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Uncle Miltie

If I had evidence, I’d be asserting, not betting.


58 posted on 01/01/2024 7:48:15 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist! )
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Do you have any evidence they chose to sacrifice their own citizens, or did you just make that up?”

They either knew or didn’t know what Hamas was planning. Yes, I made it up, only because in my lifetime, I never knew Israel to miss anything when it comes to national security.


59 posted on 01/02/2024 4:28:51 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ( )
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