Update from Ukraine | The Big Battle on the South | Both Attack, Ukraine Wins

Youtube.com ^ | 12-9-2023 | Denys Davydov

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Update from Ukraine | The Big Battle on the South | Both Attack, Ukraine Wins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in4w5hda4PY 12/8/2023, 8:45:58 PM

Militaryland news Invasion Day 651 Summary December 6, 2023 The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the recent developments on the battlefield, as of 6th December 2023 – 22:00 (Kyiv time). https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-651-summary/ [NOTE: two summaries per week, released on Wednesday and Sunday]

Dec 7th The Swedish Brigade received Rosomaks 21st Mechanized Brigade got Polish armored personnel carriers.

VIDEO https://militaryland.net/news/the-swedish-brigade-received-rosomaks/

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[amnestynone]

sorry, but it is more than one loud mouthed blow hard. Russia clearly wants to expand and that is why NATO is getting new members including nations and people who were apart of the USSR and know more about Russia and it’s mindset than you do.

[BroJoeK]

rxh4n1: "Make up your minds.
Either Russia is losing badly and they are not a threat to anyone else, or they are winning and then they will attack Poland or wherever."

That's nonsense, beginning with definitions of "win" and "lose":

1. Russia lost the war it intended to fight in March 2022, and with that, about half the Ukrainian territories they had invaded & conquered.

2. Russia's 2023 Spring and Fall Offensives have lost in "Meat Wave" assaults against Bakhmut & Avdiivka -- over 100,000 Russians, only to gain a few square miles of Ukrainian territory.

3. Russians have been more successful in defense, using First World War style trench warfare, with in-depth minefields supported by artillery & drones, to stop Ukrainian armored assaults.

4. Ukrainians won the war Vlad the Invader intended when he attacked in February 2022, and by that summer Ukrainians liberated about half the land Russians had seized.

5. Ukrainians in 2023, like Russians, were unsuccessful in assaulting dug-in positions protected by minefields and artillery.

6. Ukrainians have won several other important battles, including
   • Against Russia's Black Sea Fleet, sinking or damaging several major ships and over a dozen smaller naval assets.

   • Against Russian support bases (i.e. airfields) and supply depots, destroying many in Ukraine and driving others ever further back from Ukraine's front lines.

   • Against Russia's infrastructure and factories, with several notable, including the Kerch Bridge to Crimea, the Severomuysky Rail Tunnel connection to China, in Eastern Siberia, and the Chelyabinsk Tractor Factory making armored vehicle engines about 1,200 miles east of Ukraine.

   • Against Russian air-defense and electronic warfare systems, including S-300 & S-400 SAMs plus Krasukha-4 GPS signals jammers.

   • Against Russian drone and missile attacks on Ukraine's civilian population, shooting down the vast majority, almost all on some days.

So, overall, who's winning, who's losing?

As of today, neither side is willing to make serious concessions for peace, and neither side in 2023 made significant battlefield advances, while both sides are suffering terribly.

Obviously, Ukrainians are suffering vastly more, but for Ukraine the war is existential, while for Russians, they can quit and go home whenever they wish.

As of today, Russia's ally Iran is supporting a serious diversion against Israel, while China threatens Taiwan and now even Venezuela is getting in on the act, by threatening Guyana. Plus, the NoKos are sending Russia a million artillery rounds.

As of today, Ukraine's allies have pledged something like $350 billion in aid, about 1/3 of that from the USA, though how much has actually been delivered is not known.
There are now reports of serious Western "war fatigue" and delays in ramping up war material production.
How all of this will balance out is today unknown, but a key element will be the predicted US political compromise, wherein US House Republicans agree to aid Ukraine in exchange for Democrats agreement to increased Border Security.

How, when or what will happen there is unknowable today.

Bottom line, who is winning so far? The devil and everything evil.
Who is losing so far? Good people, democratic values, the American led "world order".

Winner so far:

Loosers so far:

[rxh4n1]

“sorry, but it is more than one loud mouthed blow hard. Russia clearly wants to expand and that is why NATO is getting new members including nations and people who were apart of the USSR and know more about Russia and it’s mindset than you do.”

Parsing your posts now. You specifically posted the link to a story about some windy clown nattering about taking Alaska back. As for expansion, the Russians already had those lands and gave them up in 1991 because they were too much trouble to hang on to. They are not going to try to get them back.

[amnestynone]

Putin is not wining and we are not losing. But, everything else you say is right.

[Gaffer]

IMO, it is pitifully under equipped militarily. 10 subs (6 fleet and 4 nuclear powered BMs) and just two Aircraft Carriers, neither nuclear powered.

[Gaffer]

It already is ww3 since, the whole world is against them if it went to a hot war Russia would not stand a chance.

If the whole world is against Russia on this Ukraine invasion, why has not the UN already formed a coalition and armed force to oust Russia already? It did that in Gulf War I when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

I'll tell you why. The third world that essentially controls the UN is avidly hoping the US lets itself, and maybe NATO, get involved (at war) on this without them having to do anything. Nothing better than they'd like to do than take down Russia AND the US (who they've hated since its establishment).

[BroJoeK]

amnestynone: "Putin is not wining and we are not losing.
But, everything else you say is right."

Maybe...

I see Ukraine in roughly the same position as our own Gen. Washington on December 11, 1776 having retreated from New York and New Jersey, now encamped in Pennsylvania, across the Delaware River from Trenton, New Jersey, his forces dwindling rapidly from injuries and disease, and from expiring enlistments.

So, on December 11, 1776, there was no way anyone could say, after nearly two years of fighting, that Gen. Washington, or Americans, were winning our War of Independence.

That's pretty much where I think Ukraine is today.
Of course, we know what happened to Washington and his Continental Army -- on Christmas Day he launched a surprise attack on British Hessian troops near Trenton, his victories encouraged both Americans and our foreign allies to keep on supporting Washington's war.

Could the same thing happen in Ukraine?
Who knows? But this is the Season of Good Hope, so we'll see...

[BroJoeK]

Gaffer: "If the whole world is against Russia on this Ukraine invasion, why has not the UN already formed a coalition and armed force to oust Russia already?
It did that in Gulf War I when Iraq invaded Kuwait."

Without looking up all the specifics, we know that Russia did not veto UN Resolution 630 in August 1990.

That alone explains a huge part of the difference between then and now.

Gaffer: "The third world that essentially controls the UN is avidly hoping the US lets itself, and maybe NATO, get involved (at war) on this without them having to do anything.
Nothing better than they'd like to do than take down Russia AND the US (who they've hated since its establishment)."

As for third world interests, we can be certain they vary considerably, with some quite Russia-friendly, others more Western-oriented.
Consider this map of countries colored according to levels of Democracy, with Green & Yellow for Democratic countries, Red & Black for authoritarian dictatorships:

Red & Black countries are at the core of today's New Axis of Evil:

[Firehath]

ukraine is picket’s charge everyday

at sailor’s creek

they couldn’t get their wagons over

on some backwoods country bridges

union troops charged waving their white hankies

An English observer General

Who upon entering in Texas attended a lynching

at Gettysburg also observed Lee’s cash on hand was robbed

A breakaway colony from a breakaway colony

wasn’t going to get any help

hubris vs hebrews

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4190149/posts?q=1&;page=1

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[Rocco DiPippo]

Ok! Ok! Let’s make a deal: Never mind the “sober” bit. Just dig the damn potatoes, not the 1kg I initially demanded but just 500g and we’re cool. No milking goats, no guzzling vodka and I’ll cook the potatoes myself. OK? Sound good? That’s my final offer. Take it or leave it!

[gleeaikin]

I would be very interested to know what Sarah Palen thinks about the Russian voicing of the idea to take Alaska back. Has anybody heard anything from her? And it is not just one windy clown nattering. Since 2/24/22 there were naval exercises near Alaska held by Russia, and I think China and North Korea may have participated. In fact a well regarded Russian Admiral was dismissed because he was not willing to conduct those exercises.

[rxh4n1]

“near Alaska held by Russia,”

So what? How near? The Bering Strait? Half of that is Russian waters. We sail our ships “near” almost every country with a seacoast. Russians got the same navigation rights as anyone. This is total BS and proves nothing.

[Monterrosa-24]

Even the Speaker of the Russian Duma advocated “reversing the illegal transfer of Alaska.” On Russian social media the talk gets crazier as if Alaska is simply Russia’s for the taking. But an even more persistent subject is bragging about Russia’s “ability to WIN a nuclear war with America.”

[amnestynone]

Russia is expansionistic. Other countries that are major powers have learned to not just start wars by trying to expand their borders by taking over others. Russia has not learned. They usually don't learn and if they do they learn it is the hard way. The fact that they say the things they have said shows something about their motives, and it is not good.
Obviously, the result of their actions in Ukraine should make them think twice before starting a war with us, but, then they do not learn very easily if at all. That is why it is important for Ukraine to win or at least put up a fight that will make them pause before starting another war.

[dfwgator]

Russia - Because 11 Time Zones just isn’t enough!

[rxh4n1]

Give it a rest. At most they want to snip off a couple border areas populated with Russians. They’re not going to rebuild the old Soviet empire.

[gleeaikin]

Did you hear Putin’s comments today at his press conference extravaganza? Here are some of his key statements.

We continue to fight to achieve our goals: eliminate the Ukraine nazis, hold onto the 4 parts we are in now, and make sure Ukraine does not join NATO.

No plans for an immediate call-up of more troops.

Of course Putin was putting on a show for his own countrymen and his upcoming reelection this Spring. With what Putin has just said, and with Ukraine’s goal of regaining the occupied portions of their country, there is no basis currently for any kind of peace talks.

I sure hope our Congress will get it’s collective a$$ in ger and vote out some money for heavy artillery shells and air support. Hungary’s pro-Putin leader Orban has done his best to stop Europe from providing the money they want to commit—also part of today’s news (today the 14th).

[rxh4n1]

Why should he? He has the bits of Ukraine he wants, and Ukraine doesn’t have the strength to drive him out.