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Enough of the flame wars |
Posted on 11/26/2023 6:17:20 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Facts do not magically become "propaganda" just because they don't always agree with your own favorite narrative.
Even opinions are not necessarily "propaganda" if they are properly identified as opinions and not just opinions masquerading as "facts".
But, ultimately, the word "propaganda" means something both misleading and malicious and those words describe everything we see from Russian outlets, based on their Old Soviet agit-prop models.
Ukrainian information is in the western mode, meaning fact based with opinions identified as such.
Which is not to claim Ukrainians are perfect -- is the US media perfect? -- but they are manifestly levels above the Old Soviet KGB agit-prop we see from the Kremlin.
All that in my humble opinion, of course.
Adviser of Zelenskyy: There is now "terrible shortage" of artillery shells & "huge shortage" of mines and military personnel on frontline. He heard "scary numbers" that average age in some brigades is 54 & that 3 people remain in some companies out of 110 at start of the war.… pic.twitter.com/aLfUPQpAS0— Ivan Katchanovski (@I_Katchanovski) November 27, 2023
Responders included:
Orban: Russia will not lose, and Europe must face reality
▪️The USA and the EU are funding Ukraine in vain in the hope that the unlikely loss of Russian forces on the battlefield will lead to political turmoil in Moscow, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said.
" Russia… pic.twitter.com/AATPB8LoRa— Sprinter Monitor (@SpriterMonitor1) November 27, 2023
That's it? That's the level of your debate??
I’m sorry, Zeeper says what??
Tell your “momma” to quit sending me FReepmail. I will continue to post the truth.
Ukraine is a mess and is losing. Nothing more to say.
As always, you are wrong and can’t grasp the fact you have no clue about what you think you know
“Well, the weather has broken very hard.”
Winter: to your point:
Storm in Sochi, Russia: waves flood and destroy houses, wash away railroad and beach infrastructure. VIDEO
Censor.NET World
27.11.23 15:50
https://censor.net/en/v3458059
In Sochi, Russia, a storm destroys coastal infrastructure, washes away railroad tracks, and floods streets and homes.
According to Censor.NET, videos of the huge waves and the destruction caused are published on the Russian Internet segment.
VIDEO: https://storage2.censor.net/video/3/271123_sto.mp4
The footage shows waves reaching coastal hotels and flooding at least the first floors, a three-story building’s foundation failing and its walls falling down, cracking, the embankment of railroad tracks washed away in many places and the rails collapsed or are hanging in the air. Source:
Storm in Sochi, Russia: waves flood and destroy houses, wash away railroad and beach infrastructure. VIDEO
Video Censor.NET World
In Sochi, Russia, a storm destroys coastal infrastructure, washes away railroad tracks, and floods streets and homes.
According to Censor.NET, videos of the huge waves and the destruction caused are published on the Russian Internet segment.
The footage shows waves reaching coastal hotels and flooding at least the first floors, a three-story building’s foundation failing and its walls falling down, cracking, the embankment of railroad tracks washed away in many places and the rails collapsed or are hanging in the air. Source: https://censor.net/en/v3458059
VIDEO
Huge storm wipes out Russian defenses in Crimea as trenches and firing positions are destroyed
Daily Mail
2.94M subscribers
11-27-2023 7:00 a.m. EST
2:18 Minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju2gcIFwJy4
A huge storm in the Black Sea has wrecked Russian defenses in Crimea and devastated Sochi, an important port city on Russia’s wester coast. Trenches, coastal barriers and firing position were washed away from Yevpatoriya, on the western coast of Crimea, close to Sevastopol. Local reports said winds gusted up to 80mph, with waves of up to 30ft.
Meanwhile in Sochi, Russia’s largest resort city, similar scenes played out. Footage showed huge waves washing ashore, damaging buildings and inundating promenades along the sea front.
Crimea’s west coast is an important front in Russia’s war with Ukraine and was vulnerable to special forces raids even before the storm hit. Meanwhile Sochi houses a resort used by Putin to host world leaders and is an important symbol of his personal power.
Karliner #95: "keep killing kill killkillkill the bad Ruzzians.
Since the beginning is kill Ruzzians.
You are NOT in anyway the rightwous ones"
Alleged Ukrainian Nazis, as posted by Karliner in #95:
For starters, there seems to be some kind of sickness bubbling inside Karliner's brain, causing him to babble incoherently.
My suspicion would be that Karliner has been drinking Russian propaganda KoolAid sewage directly from the Kremlin's propaganda sewer pipes.
And Karliner's obsession with alleged Ukrainian Nazis seems odd considering there are many more Neo-Nazis, Ruscists (Russian fascists) and Putinistas running loose in the Russian federation.
Russian Neo-Nazis in St. Petersburg, 2014:
Swastika in the flag of the Neo-Nazi Russian National Unity Party:
Nazi salute at Pride Parade in Moscow, 2010:
Swastika symbol of Russian Neo-Nazi Zimargl Group, subunit of the DShRG Rusich fighting in Ukraine:
So, by definition, what is the difference between a more-or-less ordinary, garden variety fascist (a national socialist like, say, Mussolini or Franco), and devil-spawn Nazis?
There's only one additional element -- racism generally, specifically, antisemitism.
If you take a more-or-less ordinary fascist and add racism/antisemitism, you turn him into a Nazi.
And since Ukrainians have constitutionally elected people of Jewish ancestry, it's impossible to claim, by definition, that they are even ordinary fascists, much less devil's-spawn Nazis.
But it seems many Russians themselves are both.
Karliner #95: "Sytuff all of you and your warmongering.
Consider America and her problems.
This therad has gone on for two years cheerleaders of blood and death and you try and belittle Me?
I fart in your direction warmongers.
God help America and the fools fomenting Biden's/Zalensky's war"
What are such words if not the ravings of a sick mind, one certainly not born in the USA with English as its first language?
A Russian who grieves for his country's losses in Ukraine?
That would be understandable, as is the mental illness that blames Ukrainians & Americans for evils in the hearts of Russia's own leaders, notably Vlad the Invader.
Apparatchik: "Oh, no. We totally do.
It’s like watching vampires burn up in sunlight.
You might want to put on some sunscreen."
No Russian soldier needs to die, they only need to leave all of Ukraine's internationally recognized territories.
Better yet, don't go there in the first place.
Only in your own lunatic fantasies.
In reality you post nothing but insane nonsense and vile insults, seemingly directly from the Kremlin's propaganda sewer pipes.
A sickness bubbling up in your own brain that makes you sound crazy while thinking you are just brilliant.
Obviously, the workings of some evil mind-warping propaganda.
Adviser of Zelenskyy: There is now "terrible shortage" of artillery shells & "huge shortage" of mines and military personnel on frontline. He heard "scary numbers" that average age in some brigades is 54 & that 3 people remain in some companies out of 110 at start of the war.… pic.twitter.com/aLfUPQpAS0— Ivan Katchanovski (@I_Katchanovski) November 27, 2023
Well then off to Kiev, well at least Avdiivka, should be a cake walk, only a couple of days left for vlads conquest of Donbas deadline
According to your source should be no problem, will circle the date
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