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Again, I caution you guys to presume inferiority.

For 10 years Soyuz was the only way US astronauts could reach the ISS. They are far ahead in hypersonics. There is no reason to presume inferiority.

They have their own semiconductor foundries in Russia, and China as well, while we are largely dependent on what is made in Taiwan.

They have superior education. Check our plummeting ACT and SAT scores. And don’t stomp your feet and start talking Democrats and politics. It doesn’t matter why it plummets. It simply does, and that is why they lead in hypersonics and we had to beg for rides to the ISS . . . for 10 friggin years.


8 posted on 11/21/2023 9:47:38 PM PST by Owen (.)
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To: Owen

Defensive much?


9 posted on 11/21/2023 9:54:25 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Owen
Again, I caution you guys to presume inferiority.

For 10 years Soyuz was the only way US astronauts could reach the ISS. They are far ahead in hypersonics. There is no reason to presume inferiority.

But our tech companies have greater strength through diversity.


11 posted on 11/21/2023 10:15:31 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Owen

Do NOT sell the Russians short.

They are very smart. The political system stifles them but some get through.

You assume they are backwards and ignorant at your peril.


15 posted on 11/21/2023 11:37:47 PM PST by dagunk
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To: Owen
Re: "They are far ahead in hypersonics."

As a naval weapon, hypersonics have a clear advantage.

Over land, a 500 mph, ground hugging, cruise missile is still almost invulnerable.

Also noteworthy, the USA has spent many billions of dollars for hypersonic R&D.

However, from general reading, I have never noticed a USA military consensus that we need to compete - step for step - against the Russians and Chinese for hypersonic technology.

20 posted on 11/22/2023 2:14:27 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Owen

Both economies are withered to serious problems


26 posted on 11/22/2023 4:43:51 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Owen
"Begging for rides to the ISS" had more to do with poor management on NASA's and Washington's part, mostly a dogged reliance on a system that really didn't work very well (the Shuttle -- expensive as heck to operate, and it killed people). It wasn't a technical issue per se.

The Soyuz is a piece of 1960's tech with incremental improvements around the edge. We could have continued to fly an "evolved Apollo" just like they fly an "evolved Soyuz".

The Russians have been trying to build a replacement for Soyuz for some time, but have yet to fly anything (or if they did, it was unmanned).

27 posted on 11/22/2023 5:25:38 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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“Again, I caution you guys to presume inferiority.”

I agree. Absolutely never underestimate your adversary. Especially when there are real world examples to the contrary. Arrogance is not a virtue or superiority.


28 posted on 11/22/2023 5:30:17 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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