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Russia pivots to Chinese CPUs that aren't subject to US sanctions β€” Russia's homegrown Linux-based Alt OS now supports Chinese LoongArch chips
Tom's hardware ^ | 11/18/2023 | Anton Shilov

Posted on 11/21/2023 9:13:49 PM PST by anthropocene_x

The Alt operating system developed by Moscow, Russia-based Basalt SPO has been recompiled to support Chinese Loongson processors based on the LoongArch architecture. Blacklisted Loongson has actively supported the porting process. The OS is available as a distro with a basic set of programs (Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice) that can be installed on desktops, workstations, and servers.

Alt is now the first Russian operating system capable of running on Loongson's processors based on the 64-bit LoongArch architecture, such as LS5000 and LS6000 series, which some in Russia consider alternatives to x86 CPUs from AMD and Intel. Recently, China lifted the export ban on Loongson's latest CPUs to Russia, which opened doors to using these processors in desktops, laptops, servers, storage equipment, and other applications.

The Alt OS is only the first step towards broader support of LoongArch-based CPUs in Russia, but it is undoubtedly essential.

Russia's adaptation of the Linux-based Alt to support the LoongArch architecture from China's Loongson company is a crucial development. On the one hand, by mating the Alt OS with Loongarch64 processors, Russia is moving towards greater technological independence from Western technologies and diversifying its use of processor technology. On the other hand, it introduces a dependency on Chinese technology.

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To: Reverend Wright
The number of STEM grads is an important metric, but it is certainly NOT decisive.

GDP per capita in the USA is SIX times higher than China...

USA - $80,400

China - $12,500

21 posted on 11/22/2023 2:43:48 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: zeestephen

A GDP of bullshit and fakery doesn’t create anything real.

Every DEI co-ordinator, HR wokeness enforcer, useless diversity hire “adds” to GDP. But they are a net minus. Same with Green mandates. Every ludicrous increase in electrical generating costs “adds” to GDP.

Look at industrial production. Eg. China produces 1 billion tons of steel a year. USA less than 100 million. And that goes for the whole industrial sector.

https://www.statista.com/chart/20858/top-10-countries-by-share-of-global-manufacturing-output/

(Russia actually passed the USA in 2020, but the USA has caught up again. With the incorporation of the Donbass into Russia, it will regain the lead)

USA GDP is largely “services”. But you need industrial production to win wars.

A GDP based on credit default swaps, OnlyFans subscriptions, illegal taxis and renting out rooms (Uber, AirB&B) and retail margins on imported ch!nk crap doesn’t create anything capable of use by the military.


22 posted on 11/22/2023 3:43:51 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

That chart doesn’t even show that our universities have massive grade inflation and China’s does not. We have ‘graduates’ that never completed the coursework, but they were passed along. China does not. I am intimately familiar with both US and Chinese universities and I claim only a fraction of US STEM graduates could compare to a Chinese graduate.


23 posted on 11/22/2023 3:55:21 AM PST by CodeToad (Rule#1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: zeestephen

GDP per capita in the USA is 3.4 times higher than China by purchasing power parity ...

USA - $80,412

China - $23,309

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita


24 posted on 11/22/2023 4:26:24 AM PST by FarCenter
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To: anthropocene_x

Russia is moving towards greater technological independence from Western technologies and diversifying its use of processor technology. On the other hand, it introduces a dependency on Chinese technology.


One more step in Russia becoming a vassal state of China.


25 posted on 11/22/2023 4:40:44 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Owen

Both economies are withered to serious problems


26 posted on 11/22/2023 4:43:51 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Owen
"Begging for rides to the ISS" had more to do with poor management on NASA's and Washington's part, mostly a dogged reliance on a system that really didn't work very well (the Shuttle -- expensive as heck to operate, and it killed people). It wasn't a technical issue per se.

The Soyuz is a piece of 1960's tech with incremental improvements around the edge. We could have continued to fly an "evolved Apollo" just like they fly an "evolved Soyuz".

The Russians have been trying to build a replacement for Soyuz for some time, but have yet to fly anything (or if they did, it was unmanned).

27 posted on 11/22/2023 5:25:38 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Owen; ifinnegan

“Again, I caution you guys to presume inferiority.”

I agree. Absolutely never underestimate your adversary. Especially when there are real world examples to the contrary. Arrogance is not a virtue or superiority.


28 posted on 11/22/2023 5:30:17 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: FarCenter

Re: PPP

I was trying to keep it simple.

Also, the USD/Yuan exchange rate is set by the government not by the market, real estate wealth in China is massively inflated, their agricultural sector is one of the least productive in the world, etc.

I am very skeptical that $1 USD buys just $3.5 of goods and services in China.


29 posted on 11/22/2023 6:11:26 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: PIF
One more step in Russia becoming a vassal state of China.

More like significant reciprocal trading partner independent from the deceitful Anglosphere...but ok.

30 posted on 11/22/2023 6:43:19 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

More like significant reciprocal trading partner independent from the deceitful Anglosphere..


Humm, that must be why China labeled their new maps of the Far East in historic Chinese names, not Russian ones.


31 posted on 11/22/2023 7:24:24 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
πŸ˜‚


32 posted on 11/22/2023 7:36:58 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Reverend Wright
Re: "You need industrial production to win wars."

Electric power and industry would be the first things to be destroyed in any serious war fought by major powers.

The USA needs huge, widely dispersed, stock piles to win wars.

The USA is the #2 industrial country in the world.

The USA produces more than the next four countries combined - Japan, Germany, South Korea, India.

American industrial output per employee is the highest in the world.

The USA has just 13 million manufacturing workers.

The USA will produce close to $4.2 trillion of industrial goods in 2023.

The average USA industrial worker produces more than $300,000 of industrial goods per year.

China has about 100 million industrial workers.

The average Chinese industrial worker produces about $50,000 of goods per worker.

Bottom Line...

USA investors demand a high rate of return.

USA investors tend to avoid manufacturing because the international competition is intense, and foreign labor is paid a small fraction of what American workers demand.

33 posted on 11/22/2023 7:45:17 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: mac_truck

try looking at new Chinese maps of the Far East where Vladivostok is now Haishenwai - its original name. See the Treaty of Aigun for land ‘stolen’ from China by Russia.


34 posted on 11/22/2023 8:09:05 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: CodeToad

Well the situation is just going to get worse than a 10:1 STEM ratio in favor of China.

STEM in the US Universities is now being overwhelmed with more and more DEI, wokeness, diversity hiring and all the rest of it.


35 posted on 11/22/2023 10:53:00 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

I know. That was part of my point. They are being admitted for the color of their skin, their sexuality, nationality, etc., all the while being allowed to do things such as write their names on tests, and nothing else, and get a D- to pass the classes.

In medical schools, Pass/Fail are the new grades. No one fails. A student can be absent and still get passed through.


36 posted on 11/22/2023 11:53:46 AM PST by CodeToad (Rule#1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: CodeToad

As a physics prof, my dad had to deal with Chinese cheating on exams (native born and foreign students).

So there is an issue there, but nothing like the woke capture of STEM.

It is not only undergraduate selection and preferences. The selection for future faculty is also absolutely poisoned.

Potential Graduate students in STEM have to demonstrate how they will enhance DEI. And more of the same for assignment of doctoral students, PHD awards, tenure track hiring, tenure.

Even the grant process in the sciences is now poisoned by DEI requirements.

The DC Globohomo Regime is starting from a 10:1 deficit in STEM, and they are poisoning what remains.

Some are skeptical when I predict that the Regime is absolutely going to collapse like the USSR. But you put diversity STEM graduates in charge of very complex technical systems and you are going to have some wrecks that are not repairable.

Even during the worse of the USSR collapse, the electric power still stayed on. I don’t think it will be the same for the DC Regime collapse.


37 posted on 11/22/2023 12:08:28 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

“Even during the worse of the USSR collapse, the electric power still stayed on. I don’t think it will be the same for the DC Regime collapse.”

Yep. We have fewer and fewer that can do things, and those that can do things will refuse to do so for their unruly neighbors.


38 posted on 11/22/2023 12:14:43 PM PST by CodeToad (Rule#1: The elites want you dead.)
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