Posted on 10/29/2023 5:24:21 PM PDT by RandFan
@RepThomasMassie
This week the House will vote on $14.5 billion foreign aid package for Israel, in addition to the $3.8 billion that already passed. I will be a NO vote. Less than 1/3 of the 49,000 people who responded to my poll today support this additional funding. We simply can’t afford it.
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Bravo, Rep. Massie.
I've read Romans 9 through 11 more times than I can now recount. For that matter, I've read through the entirety of the Holy Bible four or five times at the current count. You have no idea where I am theologically or what I believe.
As a gentile, I'm grateful to the Lord that, as a Jew, you have not been included within the partial hardening about which the Apostle Paul wrote. But your apparent belief that I, or any follower of Christ, is under some biblical injunction to support the present nation-state of Israel couldn't be more wrong.
As the Apostle Paul also wrote: "For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God." Galatians 6:15-16.
As a believer, it is the "Israel of God" -- Gentile and Jewish followers of Christ Jesus -- that commands by loyalty. The nation-state of Israel, and all those Jewish Israelis who are lost to the aforementioned partial hardening, do not. You can wave around your false shibboleth of "replacement theology" all you want, but the fact still remains: you are gravely mistaken.
No, I’m not. Gentiles are grafted into the Jewish Olive Tree. Israel was hardened so that Gentiles could come in. But now is the time of GOD’S turning back to his Jewish people. Israel is a natural fulfillment of what is going on spiritual, as the natural Jewish Branches are being re- grafted into YESHUA every day, PTL. The LORD can’t come back till Israel cries out for him. GOD the Father will be reconciled again to his wife, and YESHUA will be given the Bride.
It’s political. If Trump was Pres. and supportive, 2/3 of these FReepers opposed would be pressing for $20 billon.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Needs updating for many countries, however.
We need to get rid of this façade of the gov't taking care of us domestically (which is about 10% efficient at best, and more often counterproductive).
#1 priority of the Fed gov't should be preserving our freedoms, #2 (as a part of #1) defending the country (which includes our borders & working with allies), every citizen gets an equal and fair chance, and otherwise mostly just get the gov't the hell out of the way. THAT is conservatism.
No I dont think so. I detect a definite change in the wind.
Blackmail by who? Israel? That’s nonsense.
Casually? Are you kidding?
There’s nothing casual about it:
There is NO question Israel would use nukes if pressed hard enough.
I’m a little curious about that myself, as Biden “only” asked for $10.5 billion, IIRC.
Possibly there is an assumption that the conflict will turn into a direction such that Israel loses numerous aircraft?
I also assume a lot of $$ are tied up in missile defense, which is quite pricey. How fast we can supply it seems dicey - we might be talking about resupply taking a few years to replenish.
Oh, forgot to add, is the bill posted yet? The details should be in it.
thank you
Good source.
The Euro’s have given hugely more financial aid than we have, it should be noted. In terms of TOTAL aid, they’ve not quite doubled ours, although it should be noted some of the Euro’s aid goes out to 2027, and I don’t know if any of ours does?
(Aid “committed” is not necessarily “aid sent” in any case, as the Ukies found out when most of the US weapons they expected last spring for their summer offensive arrived late...)
I wonder how many of the 38 HIMARS have actually been sent? I think it leaves us with just under 500. I have no idea if Israel has asked for any.
I don’t know what Federal aid (etc.) to the illegals actually costs per illegal, but, if we assume much better than typical gov’t efficiency, a figure of cost to taxpayers or the debt of $10,000 per illegal per year is not unreasonable. That comes out to $150 billion per year. Not including state spending. :-(
Well, we may just have to agree to disagree on that. Although, I will say that some of the resistance to aid for Israel is likely simply due to people finding their own budgets pressed hard by taxes and inflation, and part of my assumption regarding Trump is that economically most of us would be doing a lot better... (It’s sort of part of the package that translates into the politics.)
I’m not tech minded but they probably couldn’t deliver the nukes anyway. It’s just a deterrent that will never, ever be used!
Wars are fought conventionally. I gave you an example in the other thread of the UK vs. Argentina. If FR existed in ‘82 would you be screaming for the UK to nuke the Argies?
As it happened, the Argies were defeated/humiliated and surrendered
It’s far, far more than that.
That doesn’t even cover the initial screening.
Free medical, sex changes, housing, transportation, food, phones
Kids in schools with tutors and translators, free food..
Legal aid for their asylum cases.
Costs to the criminal justice system.
Here, in Pa, out east, a Brazilian illegal murdered his girlfriend, was convicted then escaped.
On the run for 2 weeks.
They figured at least $5,000,000 total.
Former Trump official said each illegal will cost $1,000,000 over 5 years.
20,000,000 illegals is $20 TRILLION.
We have just watched demonrats destroy our country and Republicans let them do it.
An average of $2.5 billion per year to Israel from the USA for decades...now that the USA is bankrupt 30x over it is probably time to say: “We’d like to help more but are broke and any income we have has to go to our citizens and paying down our debt”.
https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/israel/2001/obligations/0
https://www.foreignassistance.gov
Now, I AM tech minded, but this doesn't take a tech mind, Israel has multiple methods of delivering nukes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
If FR existed in ‘82 would you be screaming for the UK to nuke the Argies?
Are you out of your gourd? I'm CERTAINLY not advocating use of nukes, but, put yourself in Netanyahu's shoes if he's nearly out of ammo, and the muzzies are about to overrun Israel. What would YOU do?
Note that the "defense" budget of Iran alone slightly exceeds that of Israel, and, so far as anyone can tell, does NOT include most of its support to its proxies, such as the 130,000 rockets Hezbollah has.
Iran military spending/defense budget for 2021 was $24.59B.
Israel's military spending/defense budget for 2021 was $24.34B.
Excellent article on Hezbollah's capabilities:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_armed_strength
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