Posted on 10/07/2023 1:26:03 AM PDT by Jonty30
Liberals are constantly saying that fascism is a right-wing belief system, because that's how the university education system allocated it.
We both know that's bs, because Mussolini and Gentile were quite clear that they were creating a socialist political system that has all the markings of left-wing socialism.
When somebody says that fascism is right-wing, they are not defining it as right-wing objectively, but subjectively. Relative to themselves because they are to the left of fascism, making them communists or that thin sliver that sits between communism and fascism.
However, it doesn't matter. What I realized is that they are on the side of big government, with all the other big government political systems of liberalism, socialism, communism, and fascism.
They are on the side of those that murdered 250 million people, enslaved over a billion, started the majority of major 20th century wars and aborted over 2 billion unborn children. Liberals are on that side.
That's what I realized.
You’re a real thinker....
Correct. Can’t think their way out of a paper bag.
Adolph was always anti Socialist but also always anti Semitic.
But-both of them were cracked and monomaniacal tyrants.
Bottom line-Fascism AND Socialism/Communism are also BOTH dehumanizing dictatorial systems.
What I realized quite some time ago, is that those on the left are basically against personal responsibility. All their desires for policy stem from just that.
The only real differences among them are degrees of this Utopian fantasy.
individualist
collectivist
is the citizen primary? or the state?
the US Constitution is an individualist document
please explain to me how a citizen is primary in a fascist state
Fascism: Socialism built around a “nation” of ethnically similar people. Litte interest in “proselytizing” beyond the volk.
Marxist Communism: International Socialism that “transcends” ethnic groupings. Relentlessly seeks to force communism on everyone, and detests nationalism.
Think of these as the Right and Left Wings of Socialism — with both on the Left of the full political spectrum.
Unfortunately, the United States now manifests some of the characteristics of fascism: Management of the economy via regulation. Militarism. Rigged elections. Nationalized health and welfare schemes. Etc. Because of our multiethnic population, fascism doesn’t fit the US situation, so fascist is just short for “racist who wants law and order”.
That’s good you a history teacher?.
China today. Once they realized hard core Maoism was taking them back to the dark ages.
“Mussolini’s fascism was having the government cooperate with companies to control the populace - sound familiar?
Fascism, socialism, communism, actually make no diff. Those names are distractions.
The common goal of all systems is totalitarian power in the state.”
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The nazis were considered to be just another left wing organization from the 1920’s through the 1940’s. During the 1950s McCarthy period a frankfurt school critical theorist named adorno started calling hitler a conservative rightist so that therefor americans who were conservative were categorized as being in the same sphere as hitler.
The new york times picked up on that formula. And that was that. They successfully pulled off a blood libel against conservatives by a mere shift in the meanings of language.
No, merely a History student.
A good one I recall some in high school in study hall they had 3 or 4 books on the table.
Mussolini was always really a left-winger and only got a reputation as being a right-winger once he incorporated a nationalist stance into his ideology... just like Hitler did as well in fact.
Let me explain why fascism is considered right-wing, even though it is left-wing because it is statist. I can explain this. :)
In Europe, everything is statist. The statists won the ideological arguement in Europe. Individualism is so dead in Europe that John Locke’s grave is cemented in and they built an iron fence around his grave so he doesn’t get out.
So, right-wing, centralism, and left-wing are relative to each other in Europe. Communism is left-wing, liberalims is centralism, and fascism is right-wing, because they are all relative positions to each other. Socialism won in Europe and 99% of the population is socialist. Fascism, in Europe is the allowance of running a private enterprise so that it can be taxed and its taxes redistributed.
Fascism is not right-wing objectively. Fascism is a statist belief system, so it’s objectively left-wing. A conservative cannot be a fascist, becasue he does not believe the government should be involved in the lives of people. Conservatives are individualists.
One also has to consider what the Nazis plans were once they won the war.
One of the reasons that Hitler liquidated Ernst Rohm and the SA, was because they advocated a complete government takeover of German industry.
Hitler knew that scared off the industrialists that he needed to have in order to build his war machine. Once the SA was eliminated, he could assure them that the Nazis would eliminate the Communist threat.
Once the war was won and they were no longer needed, it’s very likely the industrialists fate would have matched that of the Jews, because in the long-term vision of the Nazi Party they had no role in it.
Hitler started off as a communist. He moderated himself until he got into power, by being a fascist. Once secure, he went back to his communist roots and started taking over the businesses and the unions.
Just like China, whether Hitler operated as a fascist or communist came down to the time of the day.
Hitler started off as a communist.
So did Mussolini.
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