Update from Ukraine | Ukraine officially Liberated Klishchiivka. Ruzzia lost Air Defense over Crimea

Youtube.com ^ | 9-17-2023 | Denys Davydov

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

Update from Ukraine | Ukraine officially Liberated Klishchiivka. Ruzzia lost Air Defense over Crimea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wle9EJ_coDE

The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the recent developments on the battlefield, as of 13th September 2023 – 22:00 (Kyiv time). [NOTE: two summaries per week, released on Wednesday and Sunday]

https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-567-summary/

*** Great interactive maps with viewer controlled Map magnification tool to use for each Front!

https://militaryland.net/maps/

[BroJoeK]

fieldmarshaldj: "Dude ! All your posts from the past week disappeared ! Hours and hours and hours all down the drain..."

The whole thread is deleted -- those things happen, not very often, but on occasion when a party gets too loud & raucous, cops have to be called to restore order... 😒

It's a reminder to us to try to keep it civil and remember we do need to all be on the same political side.

[BroJoeK]

eyedigress to UMCRevMom@aol.com: "We are not the worlds police force.
Send your kids to die in conflicts that do not have anything to do with our kids.
You are an idiot."

What idiot thinks we have US troops fighting in Ukraine?

Do you fantasize that world peace can somehow maintain itself?
It won't and there's nobody else to do it.

1. The US alone is still about 15% of the world's GDP, based on estimates of PPP -- purchase price parity.

2. The US plus our NATO and Pacific allies have over 40% of the world's GDP at PPP.

3. Neutral but relatively friendly countries like India, Indonesia and Brazil could bring the total to 50% of world GDP, and that does not include other countries in Central and South America which could add another ~5%.

Nations overtly hostile to the USA, notably China, Russia, Iran and North Korea combined make up around 25% of world GDP at PPP, and they can strongly influence the remaining ~20% of poorer countries, mainly in Africa and Asia.

So we are still the free world's leader, and without us there will be no peace on earth because hostile countries like China & Russia will gain increasing influence and control over not just poor small countries, but also in larger neutral countries such as those represented by the term "BRICS".

In sum: if we don't do it, nobody else will, and there will be no peace on earth or goodwill towards free people, only warfare, conquest and empire building, such as we see now in Ukraine and may soon in Taiwan and elsewhere.

Peace cannot maintain itself; freedom is never free.

[BroJoeK]

fieldmarshaldj to UMCRevMom@aol.com: "You’re not to post to me. Ever."

You are not the law here.
You cannot hit-and-run post, then claim immunity in some sort of FR "safe zone", that's ridiculous.

Free Republic is not a politically correct "safe zone" that you can hide in.

When you post nonsense, then you must expect to be corrected, whether you like it or not.
And you know that perfectly well, so why are you acting otherwise?

[BroJoeK]

fieldmarshaldj to eyedigress ref. UMCRevMom@aol.com: "It doesn’t care.
It’s a globalist warmongering troll spamming FR with pro-Soros/pro-Zelensky talking points."

Why are you babbling ridiculous nonsense?
Seriously, what is wrong with you?

[fieldmarshaldj]

But we’re not on the same side. One side advocates peace and to keep out of the mess in the Ukraine-Russia civil war. The other advocates supporting a criminal regime in Kiev, which is the Soros-Demonrat-Mike Pence globalist/leftist position. The latter of which could trigger WW3. HUGE difference.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Not our business, as eyedigress perfectly stated.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Thank you, I can cite the rules here.

When posters agree not to post to one another, that is considered sacrosanct on FR. When that agreement is violated, said posts should be summarily deleted and the Mods should remind the person who violated the agreement that they are in violation of FR rules set by JimRob. That poster is also on a no-post list to several FReepers. Several others here have similarly asked you not to post to them. I have not, but will signal to you when the discussion is concluded. At present, she is the only poster I have agreed not to post to for reasons that are obvious.

As to your “not a PC safe zone.” That isn’t the issue. The issue is that certain posters cannot maintain a level of decorum and intellectual integrity regarding discussions. It is therefore unproductive and trolling to continue, and a waste of JimRob’s bandwidth.

[fieldmarshaldj]

It’s called stating a fact. That’s the entire poster’s reason for being on FR, despite the fact that its agenda is in contradiction to the mission of this website. We are not a globalist website. We do not support Zelensky and his criminal state. We do not support the agenda of Soros. We also do not support the agenda supported by the treasonous Mike Pence, who supports the prior. Again, anathema and contrary to the Conservative mission of Free Republic.

You can choose to support the mission of this website, or go to another website which supports the aforementioned anti-Conservative agenda, for which there is no shortage on the internet.

Thank you.

[yuleeyahoo]

Well stated, bravo.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Thank you. :-)

[BroJoeK]

fieldmarshaldj: "But we’re not on the same side."

If we are not on the same side politically, then you can be certain that Democrats will never be defeated in elections or removed from power in Washington.
You may remember that famous quip from Benjamin Franklin after signing the Declaration of Independence in 1776, words to the effect of,

“We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

fieldmarshaldj: "One side advocates peace and to keep out of the mess in the Ukraine-Russia civil war.
The other advocates supporting a criminal regime in Kiev, which is the Soros-Demonrat-Mike Pence globalist/leftist position."

Well... first of all, there's no "civil war" and peace is impossible so long as Vlad the Invader's orcs & trolls are illegally assaulting, murdering and destroying in Ukraine.
As of today, peace is not an option.

Second, the constitutionally elected government in Ukraine is vastly less criminal, crooked & corrupt than the Russian dictatorship masquerading as "democratic" under Vlad the Invader.

fieldmarshaldj: "The latter of which could trigger WW3.
HUGE difference."

But there's only one insane dictator in the entire world actively threatening nuclear war and that is Russia's Vlad the Invader.

How can you possibly be so confused about such basic facts of life?

[BroJoeK]

fieldfarshaldj: "Not our business, as eyedigress perfectly stated."

True enough, just as I have pointed out several times now, it was "not our business" in

1. 1936 when irredentists marched into the Rhineland (similar to Chechnya), and

2. 1938 when they invaded and annexed Austria (like Georgia)

3. 1938 & 1939 when they invaded and annexed Czechoslovakia (like Ukraine).

Those were all "not our business" not the French, not the Brits nor especially the Americans.
When it finally did become "our business", by then the Nazi war machine had grown so powerful it was impossible to defeat by anything less than a desperate fight by a worldwide alliance and at the cost of tens of millions killed.

Bottom line, historically "not our business" proves unbelievably expensive for us in the longer run.
It's much cheaper to defeat such enemies while they are relatively smaller and weaker.

Our weakness only provokes attacks by bad actors, and that is a permanent fact of human nature, whether we like it or not.

[BroJoeK]

fieldmarshaldj: "When posters agree not to post to one another,"

I have never agreed not to post to anyone, because the whole concept is anathema to my understanding of what Free Republic is all about.
This was never a "safe zone" where idiots could "hit and run", post their absurd opinions and then hide behind protection of the mods!
It has always been true, instead, that when people post crazy ideas, lots of others respond with more reasonable, fact-based arguments.

It's what makes Free Republic so much fun.

fieldmarshaldj: "When that agreement is violated, said posts should be summarily deleted and the Mods should remind the person who violated the agreement that they are in violation of FR rules set by JimRob."

Why would anyone ever agree to such a thing?

fieldmarshaldj: " That poster is also on a no-post list to several FReepers.
Several others here have similarly asked you not to post to them. "

Who would ever agree to such a ridiculous thing?

fieldmarshaldj: "I have not, but will signal to you when the discussion is concluded.
At present, she is the only poster I have agreed not to post to for reasons that are obvious."

You are making no sense, and why should I care about your "signal" when I've agreed to nothing, except to respond whenever you post patent nonsense?

If you truly want to shut me up, then stop doing that.

fieldmarshaldj: "As to your “not a PC safe zone.”
That isn’t the issue.
The issue is that certain posters cannot maintain a level of decorum and intellectual integrity regarding discussions.
It is therefore unproductive and trolling to continue, and a waste of JimRob’s bandwidth."

I've seen no "decorum and intellectual integrity" from fieldmarshaldj, and yet you continue to post and also demand that others treat you with unearned respect.

So, by your definitions, I have "wasted JimRob's bandwidth" for nearly 20 years, while contributing monthly for the last ~15 years.
In all these years, I've never before seen the likes of what you're trying to do here to shut down reasoned discussions, or debates, or even passionate exchanges.

That's why I think you are overstepping your bounds and misinterpreting what have long been understood as the "rules of the road" here on Free Republic.

[BroJoeK]

fieldmarshaldj: "It’s called stating a fact."

You posted a mindless screed, nothing factual in it.

fieldmarshaldj: "That’s the entire poster’s reason for being on FR, despite the fact that its agenda is in contradiction to the mission of this website."

If the "mission of Free Republic" were, as you claim, strictly pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine, then I would not expect to see UMCRevMom@aol.com being allowed to post unhindered.

I think Free Republic's mission is vastly broader than just supporting Russian imperial ambitions, indeed, I don't think there's anything even remotely conservative in supporting Vlad the Invader's adventures in foreign conquest.

So, once we admit that, once we confess God's own truth that we oppose Russia's blatant aggression against it's neighbors, including Ukraine, then the question becomes, what is the best way to do that?
Now we can have a genuine discussion which allows for both sides to have their say and for anyone to call out the others' BS nonsense, hopefully politely, but also definitely.

fieldmarshaldj: "We are not a globalist website.
We do not support Zelensky and his criminal state.
We do not support the agenda of Soros.
We also do not support the agenda supported by the treasonous Mike Pence, who supports the prior.
Again, anathema and contrary to the Conservative mission of Free Republic."

So let's start here -- your definition of Ukraine as a "criminal state" is a flat-out lie and firmly identifies fieldmarshaldj as a Russian propagandist, which means you have no standing as a conservative on Free Republic.

Everything else you mention -- "globalism", Soros & Mike Pense -- is pure nonsense and distraction.
Nobody here supports such things, as defined by someone like Donald Trump.
But you forget that Pres. Trump himself first provided lethal aid to Ukraine and also denounced Russia's 2022 invasion when it happened.

fieldmarshaldj: "You can choose to support the mission of this website, or go to another website which supports the aforementioned anti-Conservative agenda, for which there is no shortage on the internet.
Thank you."

And so you are demanding respect and silence, as if your definitions are the only ones which matter, and everyone else here must bow down to them, and you, and submit to pure nonsense?

I don't think that's even a little right, I do think you are way out bounds, but if you are successful in getting me zotted, after nearly 20 years here, well, then so be it.

But I don't think you will or can.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"If we are not on the same side politically, then you can be certain that Democrats will never be defeated in elections or removed from power in Washington."

That seems to be the case now, even when "Republicans" are in power. But on the issue of the Ukraine, we are most certainly not on the same side.

"Well... first of all, there's no "civil war" and peace is impossible so long as Vlad the Invader's orcs & trolls are illegally assaulting, murdering and destroying in Ukraine. As of today, peace is not an option."

Simply not so, and your usage of racist terminology again is duly noted. Zelensky the murderous dictator doesn't want peace, because he'd have to face an enraged electorate, for which 80% hold him personally responsible for the epic-level corruption.

"Second, the constitutionally elected government in Ukraine is vastly less criminal, crooked & corrupt than the Russian dictatorship masquerading as "democratic" under Vlad the Invader."

False.

"But there's only one insane dictator in the entire world actively threatening nuclear war and that is..."

Voldemort Zelensky.

[fieldmarshaldj]

It’s not our business. If it concerns you so deeply and profoundly, step away from the computer, go to the airport, buy a ticket and fly to Kiev. Sign up and fight. You’d at least have a shred of credibility then.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"I have never agreed not to post to anyone, because the whole concept is anathema to my understanding of what Free Republic is all about. This was never a "safe zone" where idiots could "hit and run", post their absurd opinions and then hide behind protection of the mods! It has always been true, instead, that when people post crazy ideas, lots of others respond with more reasonable, fact-based arguments. It's what makes Free Republic so much fun."

What you're describing is trolling. Good for a chuckle, sometimes. But when you continuously troll and post propaganda in opposition to the stated mission of this website, you're a destructive and malicious troll. Quite possibly a paid agent. Given the daily disinformation campaign that has been going on for over a year, and by foreign interests, paid agents is the only reasonable conclusion.

"Why would anyone ever agree to such a thing?"

To demonstrate common courtesy and avoid a discussion descending into a flame-war where two posters cannot maintain a civil tone. JimRob does not want endless flame wars on his website, it chases people away. A lot of people have left FR since the endless spam-propaganda brigades for the globalists have polluted this website. They're sick of being viciously attacked for doing nothing more than voicing their opinion that this situation is none of our business.

"You are making no sense, and why should I care about your "signal" when I've agreed to nothing, except to respond whenever you post patent nonsense? If you truly want to shut me up, then stop doing that."

I post facts and truth, that's why I'm a Conservative. You post in opposition to that, which is why you're not. Your attitude here is one of a bully. You don't like that I debunk your propaganda, so you're going to spam and attack with endless tirades. Unless you find that "fun." You'll note most of the straights on FR won't bother posting to you for that reason. You seem to fail to comprehend that.

"I've seen no "decorum and intellectual integrity" from fieldmarshaldj, and yet you continue to post and also demand that others treat you with unearned respect."

That's because you can't see water if you were floating in the middle of the ocean. I've got the respect of every respectable poster on FR after being here actively posting for 22 years. I've got the disrespect of the disrespectable individuals.

[Dat]

"But there's only one insane dictator in the entire world actively threatening nuclear war and that is..." Voldemort Zelensky.

And yet Ukraine has no nuclear weapons.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"You posted a mindless screed, nothing factual in it."

Your posts consists of nothing but red herrings, non-sequiturs, cognitive dissonance, outright globalist propaganda and personal insults. And, again, you wonder why you engender no respect from respected members of this website.

"If the "mission of Free Republic" were, as you claim, strictly pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine, then I would not expect to see UMCRevMom@aol.com being allowed to post unhindered."

That's not the mission of this website. This is a pro-American website. It is anti-globalist, because that is a leftist agenda. Many FReepers do not support either Putin or the dictator Zelensky, hence why they support staying out of this completely. Your gang of globalist enforcers attack these individuals for not being for Zelensky. In doing so, you've managed to build unprecedented support for Putin here via your personal attacks and bullying. Congratulations, you just played yourself.

=cut spam talking points=

"I don't think that's even a little right, I do think you are way out bounds, but if you are successful in getting me zotted, after nearly 20 years here, well, then so be it. But I don't think you will or can."

You pay to play. That's the only reason why a lot of you globalist propagandists are allowed to stay. In fact, you may have been the very person who told me that. But understand that's the only reason you're allowed to stay. Food for thought.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Thank God. That’s precisely why he’s trying to provoke a nuclear holocaust by soliciting weapons from the West.