JFK Is Easy, Now Do TWA Flight 800

American Thinker ^ | September 12th, 2023 | Jack Cashill

[ChessExpert]

Speaking of Kennedy, no single American has felt the sting of the Times’ historic disdain for so-called conspiracy theorists more than JFK’s legendary press secretary, Pierre Salinger. Unlike Landis, Salinger made the mistake of exposing a conspiracy that was very much in play when he exposed it.

I speak here of the case of TWA Flight 800. The 747 was en route from New York to Paris when it crashed off the coast of Long Island in July 1996, killing all 230 people on board.

[devere]

The Iranians certainly had a motive, but the story seems somewhat implausible to me.

A President faced with a foreign attack could wrap himself in the flag and easily win reelection, which was all Clinton cared about. And could a small boat of Iranian agents fire a missile and be unseen by all the nearby US Navy ships?

An ordinary accident wouldn’t have produced the White House panic with immediate FBI & CIA involvement that we saw.

A US Navy training accident just before an election is quite consistent with what we saw. But I must admit that your explanation is still more plausible than any ordinary accident.

[WhoisAlanGreenspan?]

Quoting Ronaldus Magnus "Really, I've read the NTSB report and I don't recall ever reading about a fuel leak. The report states the cause as being heat from air conditioning system igniting the cold fuel vapors in the empty central fuel tank." I agree 100%

I don't understand you SkyDancer. This was one of the most obvious deep state government cover ups of our times; the FBI and the CIA kicked the NTSB and FAA off the investigation, hundreds of citizens pooled their money to take out a full page add in the NYT doubting the narrative, a number of independent investigators were jailed for attempting to get independent lab results, we even have eye witnesses here at FR, and I am a witness that 747 jets were flying over my house the very next day. There was never an issue with the center fuel tanks of those planes. Talk about disinformation? Dude, give it a break! Left field ends at the foul pole, Be careful where you're putting it!

[SkyDancer]

It's because I've played in this circus here every time it's brought up. It's getting old and wearisome. Both Boeing and the NTSB agreed it was the worn center fuel tank that leaked fuel and was ignited far back and ran up to the plane and exploded the tank. If it was a rocket, it would have hit one of the four engines for their heat signature.

Done, end of story.

[UnwashedPeasant]

"I like that. (Although it would make more sense with the naive/fool reversed - but the idea is similar)."

Yep, I see it now. I got it backward.

[logi_cal869]

The troll is you.

If you cannot reconcile impossible physics proffered by an agency of the government with no business in accident investigation - but every bit of business in manipulating public opinion, and the only agency able to steer the narrative away from both multiple, consistent eyewitnesses and the matter of kapton - then you’re just another hack.

I’ve played this circus, too. Now go fly a kite.

[yelostar]

There was another TWA800 flight that crashed in Rome, Italy in 1964.

What are the odds.

[Drago]

No “fuel leaks”...center tank fuel vapor explosion caused by a spark. High voltage got into the the tank via the fuel quantity indication system wiring {normally low voltage}...insulation chafing caused a short to high voltage.

Page 308:

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR0003.pdf

[WhoisAlanGreenspan?]

It’s probably good we have some lubricators of the left foul polls here. The circus needs people like you, who officiate the questioning of the official narrative, all of us are just blown away by how smart you are by your $10.00 subscription to cnn news. I wish I knew what was happening, but I can’t afford to pay for it like you can.

[yelostar]

TWA800 exploded/crashed on July 17,1996.

There are numeric coincidences between this and a previous TWA800 flight that crashed in Rome, Italy on November 23, 1964 - by happenstance a year and a day after the JFK assassination.

Trans World Airlines Flight 800 was an international scheduled passenger service from Kansas City, Missouri to Cairo, Egypt via Chicago, New York City, Paris, Milan, Rome, and Athens. The Boeing 707 crashed during take off on runway 25 at Leonardo da Vinci–Fiumicino Airport, Rome at 13:09 GMT on a flight to Athens International Airport, Greece on November 23, 1964.

This TWA800 had a total of 73 on board. There were 50 fatalities, leaving >>> 23 survivors. (JFK Int’l Airport was the 2nd stopover for this flight that originated in Kansas City).

So in 1996 another TWA Flight 800 departed for the exact same airport where the 1964 crash occurred - Leonardo da Vinci–Fiumicino Airport, Rome. This Boeing plane was 25 years old.

The accident airplane, registration N93119 (a Boeing 747-131), was manufactured by Boeing in July 1971.

Using numerology, the model number of the 1996 plane sums to: 7 + 4 + 7 + 1 + 3 + 1 = 23; or 747 + 131 = 878; 8 + 7 + 8 also = 23.

Trans World Airlines Flight 800 (TWA800) was a Boeing 747-100 that exploded and crashed into the Atlantic Ocean near East Moriches, New York on July 17, 1996 at approximately 8:31 p.m. EDT, 12 minutes after takeoff from John F. Kennedy International Airport, on a scheduled international passenger flight to Rome with a stopover in Paris. All 230 people on board died in the crash.

The FQIS on Flight 800 is known to have been malfunctioning; the captain remarked about "crazy" readings from the system about two minutes and 30 seconds (2:30) before the aircraft exploded.

The four-year NTSB investigation concluded with the approval of the Aircraft Accident Report on August 23, 2000

The last radio transmission from the airplane occurred at 8:30 p.m.

83 is the 23rd prime number.

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On July 17, 2014 - eighteen years to the day - after the TWA800/New York flight crashed, Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-controlled forces on 17 July 2014, while flying over eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed.

Gematria is the ancient practice of coding numbers into letters, assigning numeric values to words. It existed as isopsephy in Ancient Greece.

Gematria was developed by practitioners of Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism). Hebrew Gematria and Biblical Gematria are actively practiced today.

English Gematria is a newer practice, and believed by those who decode events and news stories to reveal deeper meanings and hidden connections.

There are four base English ciphers - Ordinal, Reverse Ordinal, Reduction and Reverse Reduction.

Both abbreviations for the Malaysian Airlines flight reduce to 23.

[Gene Eric]

+1

[devere]

Here’s an article that tends to corroborate your theory: https://observer.com/1999/07/radar-shows-getaway-boat-fleeing-flight-800-crash/

[Zuriel]

So they were just leaving for a long flight (requiring lots of fuel), and a tank is mostly vapor at that early point in the flight?

When I was a kid, my dad used to put a coffee can, with about a 1/2 inch of gas in the bottom, under the engine oil pan of our family car on extremely cold days. He’d toss a match in the can, and the gas would burn slowly because it couldn’t get enough oxygen to burn fast, let alone explode.

He emphasized that just putting a 1/16 of an inch or less could be explosive. He said he could put 2 inches in the can and it would still burn slowly, because the fumes dominate the rest of the space in the can.

So the center tank was practically empty right after takeoff?

[DiogenesLamp]

And could a small boat of Iranian agents fire a missile and be unseen by all the nearby US Navy ships?

There are people here in this thread who said they were there and that they saw the missile.

Navy personnel will not say what they are ordered not to say.

An ordinary accident wouldn’t have produced the White House panic with immediate FBI & CIA involvement that we saw.

Exactly.

But I must admit that your explanation is still more plausible than any ordinary accident.

I have the advantage of getting my information from someone who was absolutely in a position to know, but I can neither divulge a name nor the nature of the evidence I was informed of.

I am just relating the information I was told without saying anything that I think could be tracked back to a specific person.

I am told the Europeans were involved, and that France in particular was absolutely adamant about the US not going to war with Iran over this incident. Both the Europeans and the US government were absolutely terrified about the ramifications for the commercial air travel industry if the truth got out. They believed it would destroy air travel. Also, Iran controlled a lot of European oil. A war would devastate their economies.

But if the public found out that Iran was behind it, do you suppose there would be any way to stop the nation from going to war with Iran?

If Clinton tried, he would be swatted down like a bug. He would absolutely lose the election. The only thing he could do is what he does best. Lie. Hence the made up bullsh*t about the center fuel tank.

The rogue mercenaries were supposedly executed by the Iranian government.

[Drago]

Yep, the center tank was mostly empty (50 gallons/300 lbs left in a 6 ft. tall tank)(was used on the incoming flight but was not refueled for the flight to Paris)...747-100 has 7 fuel tanks and airlines only load the amount of fuel needed for the flight plus an extra amount to get to the divert airport. Costs big $$ to haul around extra fuel. (TWA was in double bankruptcy at that point). 747’s have “nitrogen inerting” installed for partially filled tanks now. Another factor was A/C packs running for a prolonged time on the ground (flight delayed for over an hour)...A/C packs directly under the center tank, heating the 50 gallons of Jet-A.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%20120-98A.pdf

https://sma.nasa.gov/docs/default-source/safety-messages/safetymessage-2011-01-09-twa800inflightbreakup.pdf

[logi_cal869]

Exactly. Someone I know who also knows more than can be told echoes your statement.

Regardless of what I will never be able to confirm, the totality of the circumstances makes the government narrative the least likely scenario, and the scenario you outline the MOST likely.

[DiogenesLamp]

Both Boeing and the NTSB agreed it was the worn center fuel tank that leaked fuel and was ignited far back and ran up to the plane and exploded the tank.

They will say whatever the government *ORDERS* them to say.

I believe i've argued with you about this before some years back, and I took apart your bullsh*t center fuel tank crap back then.

You were then arguing that it was the wiring in the tank that triggered an ignition, and you posted some data about experiments showing you could get jet fuel to ignite under the right temperatures and pressures in the fuel tank.

I looked at these reports, and the temperatures they cited at which you could ignite the fuel were simply impossible to achieve by any of the wiring that fed the center fuel tank.

I see now you are saying it was "leaking", so that's different.

Nobody is buying your efforts to cover this up. One can only guess you are part of the coverup.

[logi_cal869]

Maybe you missed this gaslighting bs I found back in July

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4171942/posts

It was a stunning presentation.

[DiogenesLamp]

No “fuel leaks”...center tank fuel vapor explosion caused by a spark.

You can't ignite jet fuel with a spark. The stuff is d@mn hard to ignite. It's pretty much like diesel or kerosene.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR0003.pdf

This might be the report I read some years back, and if it is, when you look at their references for how many joules of energy were required to ignite that fuel, it is clearly impossible. There just wasn't enough power in the wiring to accomplish it.

Jet fuel is hard to ignite. Here, let me show you.

https://youtu.be/7nL10C7FSbE?si=otth9anWJrqezd8W

Now you watch that section on the guy trying to light jet fuel on fire with a torch, and then come back and tell me it ignited with a spark.

I'll wait. :)

[DiogenesLamp]

Here’s an article that tends to corroborate your theory: https://observer.com/1999/07/radar-shows-getaway-boat-fleeing-flight-800-crash/

Thanks for that. I am also told that the initial news reports were showing radar tracks of a missile, but those were taken off the air and never showed again.

Does anyone remember seeing the news reports showing a radar track of a missile?

I didn't see them, but I have been told by others that they saw them.

[DiogenesLamp]

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4171942/posts

It was a stunning presentation.

And if you will notice, I was saying the exact same thing back in that thread. :)