MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links)

YOUTUBE.com ^ | 8/28/2023 | Hawaii Real Estate

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ransomnote: The first video was recorded outside the restricted zone. The video features a car on the shoulder of the road supposedly burned from the nearby grassfire (car is essentially melted except for steel frame - steering colum, steering wheel, glass etc.) with most of the terrain surrounding it intact. I put several still images taken from the video below for those who don't want to watch it.

Just a few notes:
Police forbid access to the fire locations and tell people outside the restricted zone not to take pictures (from roadside - facing into the zone).

Near the bottom of this post I put the link to a second video taken inside the restricted zone. That video features 2 cars, essentially melted except for steel framing. They are surrounded by untouched property, houses etc.

(Note that the second video is linked near the bottom and images from the 2018 Paradise fire have been liked at the end of this post)

Internet searches indicate average temperature of grass fires ranges from around 300 degrees farenheit up to 700 degres Farenheit(F).

Automotive glass melts at 2552°F to 2912°F

Steel melts at 2700°F

Aluminum melts at  1220°F

Cast Iron melts at  2200°F

IMAGES FROM Lahaina fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9L9WvlCli0

https://i.imgur.com/6vHt8ZG.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/iPMu3g2.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/Nqp21B0.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/KNXi33m.jpeg

photographed in through driver's window - steering column and wheel is gone

https://i.imgur.com/0mjmt80.png

https://i.imgur.com/vuHXxc8.png

crumbling aluminum roof rack

https://i.imgur.com/gYrsW2m.png

https://i.imgur.com/dzNXwjF.png

looking at the terrain in front of the car

https://i.imgur.com/ecbv8Bd.png

in front to the right

https://i.imgur.com/gJydu4m.jpeg

the view behind the car

https://i.imgur.com/vH5UkBQ.png

standing off center to the passenger side of the  front of the car and facing the highway a little toward the drivers side

https://i.imgur.com/PZI1ZDd.jpeg

standing off center to the drivers side of the car  of the car and facine back and to the passenger side of the car

https://i.imgur.com/Iyd1qDT.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/Rf32uZ6.jpeg

looking in through passenger window

https://i.imgur.com/4OC2WBs.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/tn2NEaN.jpeg

windshield melted in the center of the pic

https://i.imgur.com/ymZP4Ot.jpeg

Back of vehicle - I think I see a little circular pile of wires on the ground where the spare tire burned off the bracket

https://i.imgur.com/R6HSbpT.jpeg

puddle of metal beneath the center back bumper

https://i.imgur.com/gcKAGRO.jpeg

closer to the puddle of metal behind the car

https://i.imgur.com/atCKdcF.png

behind the car on the ground, looks like wires from the spare and molten metal from the wheel

https://i.imgur.com/j8SRr68.jpeg

cell phone?

https://i.imgur.com/GfIsUlk.jpeg

photograph facing the drivers side - shows it's an SUV

https://i.imgur.com/BpEmRqU.jpeg

looking from the passenger side over the hood of the car to the front right

https://i.imgur.com/XEfYYvw.png

terrain behind the car again

https://i.imgur.com/k2qSL6e.png

facing the passenger side of almost the whole car

https://i.imgur.com/uPVVJuT.jpeg

front bumper from drivers side

https://i.imgur.com/yuMnheN.png

front bumper from passenger side

https://i.imgur.com/wFJaKBy.jpeg

engine

https://i.imgur.com/sM3b9cF.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/mDir3Mk.jpeg

Above images are from the first 8 minutes of the recording.

The police arrived at around the 23 minute mark and told the men to leave, talked with the men a little, and then escorting the walking men back to their cars by following in a patrol car. Two more patrol cars can be seen arriving in the background. At the 34 minute mark, the person featured in the video closes the recording with a prayer that the information reaches the public. He encourages people to help by donating to those impacted.

Video taken by the same YOUTUBE account of fire damage inside the restricted zone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mppuqs7YF0

~~~~~~~~2018 November  Paradise fire Images below~~~~~~~~~~

LINKS ONLY DUE TO COPYRIGHT

Forest fire burned houses but not trees.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/03/01/business/01Utility/01Utility-superJumbo-v2.jpg

Trees and telephone poles intact but fire melted all but steel frame of car
https://i.imgur.com/iPTPBzE.png

Piles of ashes on the cement foundations of houses remains, but the trees surrounding them are intact.

https://i.imgur.com/A1rtbD8.png

This might be a better example:
https://i.imgur.com/u5TYk87.png

A forest fire when only the buildings burn
https://i.imgur.com/arO8VVk.png

Google Images search results for paradise fire here:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=561276914&q=paradise+california+fire&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUnO-lkoSBAxVklmoFHSurDk0Q0pQJegQIEBAB&biw=1920&bih=955&dpr=1#imgrc=PC1vVi_xoK_dJM

 

[Garden Island]

It looks like an insurance scam for an older abandoned vehicle. The guy in the interview talked at 50 mph. He sounded like he was on something.

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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), Tellurian wrote:

Tire fires are hot. Once something ignited the tires (plastic bumper running into flying embers?), the melted Aluminum & Magnesium alloys in the wheels and engine is not surprising.

Am experiment with some industrial tires has a chart showing them reaching a high temperature around 1100 C very quickly (over 2000 F), and staying there for 20-30 minutes, slowly dropping as it burns itself out over an hour or two.

Tires are hard to ignite and slow to burn. These tires were reduced to dust.

"How hot can a tire fire get?  

NTSB tests found wheel components can reach temperatures of 1,300 F. Tires ignite spontaneously at 800-900 F and will reignite over and over again even when suppressed because of the super heat created by the failed wheel-end components.Jul 16, 2007"

https://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070716/NEWS/307169995/hot-topic-truck-tire-fires-heatin-up-highways

 

I don't see how a bumper sets the wheels on fire. Bad design for a car. Not enough fuel and most materials that could burn were reduced to dust. Tires don't explain this.

Is Rubber Flammable?

Technically, rubber is not a substance that can burn. It is even used to put out fires and to make anti-flame materials. So you can say that rubber is not flammable. This is because it has a flashpoint (the temperature at which it catches flame) of around 500 to 600 degrees Fahrenheit, or 260 to 316 degrees Celsius – which is a heat point normally quite hard to achieve. 

If it can come in contact with such a hot object exceeding its flashpoint, then the rubber will undoubtedly burn whether natural or synthetic. But that is hard to achieve in our day-to-day life. 

What Makes Rubber Flammable?

Rubber is an oil-based material, especially synthetic rubber. Hence, it is not that it is not flammable – it’s just thick which makes it difficult for fire to catch and spread easily. Oil burns fast as a flammable liquid, so rubber too can burn for days, being oil in solid form. Thankfully, It is difficult to set rubber on fire because the majority of rubbers only burn at temperatures between 500 – 600°F (260 – 316°C). 

https://eartheclipse.com/science/misc/is-rubber-flammable.html

 

 

Generally, car tires will appear to melt at around 1,000°F. But before they get to that point, they will break down at about 390°F and explode at about 750°F, all of which far exceed Arizona's hottest day. Car tires are made of specialized rubber polymers that make up what is called vulcanized rubber.Feb 16, 2022

 

https://getjerry.com/questions/at-what-temperature-do-tires-melt

 

What temperature does rubber burn?

 

 

Oil burns fast as a flammable liquid, so rubber too can burn for days, being oil in solid form. Thankfully, It is difficult to set rubber on fire because the majority of rubbers only burn at temperatures between 500 – 600°F (260 – 316°C).

https://eartheclipse.com/science/misc/is-rubber-flammable.html

 

 

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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), Garden Island wrote:

It looks like an insurance scam for an older abandoned vehicle. The guy in the interview talked at 50 mph. He sounded like he was on something.

This is Hawaii. They don't leave old abandoned cars within view of the road. This is supposed to be the result of the grassfire portion of Hawaii's tragic fires.

Even a flame thrower wouldn't melt a car like this (details upthread)  and the heat would have to be sustained long enough to melt glass. More than one flame thrower would be needed as the damage is relatively uniform all over the body of the car.

[roving]

So explain how it happened.

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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), Valpal1 wrote:

Bullshit, I’ve seen many burned out cars look like this. Especially if the car is full of camping equipment and clothes or methmaking chemicals. Maui has a sizable homeless population.

 

What burned the tires to ash leaving the steel belt wires on the ground? The cargo in a car and chemicals would have to be evenly applied all over the car to get this kind of damage and still would not supply enough fuel or burn long and hot enough and melt glass etc.

 

"A vehicle fire can generate heat upwards of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind that water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit and that most foods are cooked at temperatures of less than 500 degrees Fahrenheit. Flames from burning vehicles can often shoot out distances of 10 feet or more."

https://www.fairfield-city.org/341/Motor-Vehicle-Fires

 

THe fire would not be hot enough, focused enough, or burn long enough to explain the damage in the images.

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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), chuck allen wrote:

It was a car fire started by grass. Use logic. Car fires are hot hot hot and glass breaks or melts and so will aluminum.

 

What burned the tires to ash leaving the steel belt wires on the ground? The cargo in a car and chemicals would have to be evenly applied all over the car to get this kind of damage and still would not supply enough fuel or burn hot enough and melt glass etc.

 

"A vehicle fire can generate heat upwards of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind that water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit and that most foods are cooked at temperatures of less than 500 degrees Fahrenheit. Flames from burning vehicles can often shoot out distances of 10 feet or more."

https://www.fairfield-city.org/341/Motor-Vehicle-Fires

 

THe fire would not be hot enough, focused enough, or burn long enough to explain the damage in the images.

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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), TornadoAlley3 wrote:

Go search some photos from other fires. The Tubbs fire maybe in Cali.

Lots of photos of melted aluminum on the ground.

I suppose when the chemicals such as oil and gas ignite it gets hot enough.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

 I provided pictures of the Paradise CA fire (2018) in the thread post and it shows a forest fire wherein only the houses burned, not the trees.

Saying another example exists does not negate the current examples.

The fact that Paradise fire exists doesn't mean that it was 'natural' and together the tubbs fire, Paradise fire and Hawaii fires need not be 'natural'.

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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), chuck allen wrote:

A vehicle fire can generate heat upwards of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit.

The average forest fire sends temperatures rocketing up past 800 degrees Celsius (1,472 degrees Fahrenheit), hot enough to cremate a human or melt a camera.

The heat from a car when it’s on fire may cause the windows to break, but there are examples of car windows melting in the heat of a fire. Wildfires can reach temperatures in the range at which glass can burn.

Can we stop this nonsense now, nutjobs used to get banned from this site, Michael Rivero comes to mind, and there were others. Enough with this D.E.W. nonsense!

It does not have to be the result of a D.E.W., but the fire cannot be explained by the amount of fuel and type of fuel and distribution of fire and quality (dust) of the remains. I'd like to know what caused this and the Paradise fire. The people of HI are saying investors are swooping in to buy up the land - I think we should be asking questions.

This 'wildfire' was a grass fire and not much fuel at all in a gravel parking lot. The grass was nearby but the gravel surrounding the car did not contain debris yet the car itself still had debris all around it.

[BenLurkin]

If you have a point, please make it.

[central_va]

Car fires are spectacular. Much better than dumpster fires.

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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), vpintheak wrote:

This is conspiracy theory nonsense. Dry, hot, extremely windy. Sparks carry a long way. Dry grass burns easily. I’ve talked to people and woodland firefighters that tell me trees that have no fire near them will simply explode from the high heat nearby.

The car itself is in a gravel parking lot. Even if there had been a patch of grass beneath it there wouldn't be enough fuel to burn hot enough and evenly enough and long enough to burn the car to ashes. While trees may explode from the high heat near by, there was no high heat near this car as the closest is scrub grass in the pics.

"Hawaiian Electric Company said that power lines falling in high winds seem to have caused a fire during the early morning of August 8, but power lines in West Maui had been de-energized for more than six hours by the time a second afternoon fire began in the Lahaina area." CNN yesterday

It need not be D.E.W. but the grassfire was not sufficient, or near enough to the car to toast it.

[chuck allen]

You don’t need much fuel. Follow the bouncing ball..

Electric line ignites grass fire, winds spread grass fire, 700 degree grass fire ignites car that burns at 1500 degrees, glass breaks and aluminum melts. Front street in Lahaina with hundreds of cars and buildings on fire simultaneously was probably burning hot enough to melt damn near anything within a hundred yards.

I’ve seen cars in flames with nary a grass or forest fire in sight. Let alone a DEW.

My Attorney Father-in Law taught me a lesson long ago, “Shit happens.”

[logi_cal869]

This is a better video and documents the odd burn pattern I’ve commented about since the day after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mppuqs7YF0

[vpintheak]

Alright then. Someone torched their car.

[the_daug]

Is glass really a liquid? How can this be?

[KC Burke]

I am told that Windows glazed generations ago have panes where the glass is thicker at the bottom of the pane.

[LilFarmer]

Wow, look at all the experts that showed up to debunk this. 🙄

Sometimes when that happens on FR, it’s often because you are very close to the truth. It happened with the vax (and a lot of those folks kind of skulked away into the shadows)

[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

Hey Ransom!

Some thoughts on this. A grass fire burning underneath a car has enough heat to ignite the combustible components of the car. ( The Gas tank and rubber tires.) So the fire is not just the grass. The car had enough gasoline, oil, rubber, and plastic that along with the grass caused the damage including melting of the glass.

Picture of a Subaru that on a non combustable surface burning merrily along the side of the road in Tigard OR.

Caption on photo: "Its what makes a Subaru a Subaru!"

People can go to the link and see pictures of burning cars which are probably mostly engine problems.

Unsplash burning car festival

Would have posted some of these but you need to pay for them.

[chuck allen]

Many trees have adaptations that allow them to survive easier in natural fire. Jack pines and giant sequoias have very thick, fire resistant bark. Most eucalyptus species and pine species utilize tall crowns in order to keep flammable leaves and dead branches high from the ground and away from fire.

Trees in fire-prone areas develop thicker bark, in part, because thick bark does not catch fire or burn easily. It also protects the inside of the trunk, the living tissues that transport water and nutrients, from heat damage during high-frequency, low-intensity fires.

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I’ll add that the tress that are not burnt, a lot of them in peoples yards are more that likely irrigated and watered fairly regularly, so that would help as well. Fact is, not all trees burn in a forest fire. There are YouTube’s of people driving out west after fires and you can see the burnt trees and still live ones. Kinda like a tornado tears down one house and leaves the neighbors untouched. Gods will.

[rebelskid]

The toasty jeep looks just like my 1999 dodge 1 ton van that burned down in my driveway 10 years ago on a snowy morning... no glass left puddles of aluminum everywhere..... underhood fuel fire... got it shut down pretty quick.... had time to get my daughters guitar out (in its Christmas wrapping) and unhook my log splitter and roll it out of the way ... there was nothing left ... fire truck got stuck in the driveway... deputy showed up to take the report... he asked me what happened ....i said it must of been Al-quaida... he didn’t believe me..