MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links)

YOUTUBE.com ^ | 8/28/2023 | Hawaii Real Estate

[ransomnote]

ransomnote: The first video was recorded outside the restricted zone. The video features a car on the shoulder of the road supposedly burned from the nearby grassfire (car is essentially melted except for steel frame - steering colum, steering wheel, glass etc.) with most of the terrain surrounding it intact. I put several still images taken from the video below for those who don't want to watch it.

Just a few notes:
Police forbid access to the fire locations and tell people outside the restricted zone not to take pictures (from roadside - facing into the zone).

Near the bottom of this post I put the link to a second video taken inside the restricted zone. That video features 2 cars, essentially melted except for steel framing. They are surrounded by untouched property, houses etc.

(Note that the second video is linked near the bottom and images from the 2018 Paradise fire have been liked at the end of this post)

Internet searches indicate average temperature of grass fires ranges from around 300 degrees farenheit up to 700 degres Farenheit(F).

Automotive glass melts at 2552°F to 2912°F

Steel melts at 2700°F

Aluminum melts at  1220°F

Cast Iron melts at  2200°F

IMAGES FROM Lahaina fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9L9WvlCli0

https://i.imgur.com/6vHt8ZG.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/iPMu3g2.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/Nqp21B0.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/KNXi33m.jpeg

photographed in through driver's window - steering column and wheel is gone

https://i.imgur.com/0mjmt80.png

https://i.imgur.com/vuHXxc8.png

crumbling aluminum roof rack

https://i.imgur.com/gYrsW2m.png

https://i.imgur.com/dzNXwjF.png

looking at the terrain in front of the car

https://i.imgur.com/ecbv8Bd.png

in front to the right

https://i.imgur.com/gJydu4m.jpeg

the view behind the car

https://i.imgur.com/vH5UkBQ.png

standing off center to the passenger side of the  front of the car and facing the highway a little toward the drivers side

https://i.imgur.com/PZI1ZDd.jpeg

standing off center to the drivers side of the car  of the car and facine back and to the passenger side of the car

https://i.imgur.com/Iyd1qDT.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/Rf32uZ6.jpeg

looking in through passenger window

https://i.imgur.com/4OC2WBs.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/tn2NEaN.jpeg

windshield melted in the center of the pic

https://i.imgur.com/ymZP4Ot.jpeg

Back of vehicle - I think I see a little circular pile of wires on the ground where the spare tire burned off the bracket

https://i.imgur.com/R6HSbpT.jpeg

puddle of metal beneath the center back bumper

https://i.imgur.com/gcKAGRO.jpeg

closer to the puddle of metal behind the car

https://i.imgur.com/atCKdcF.png

behind the car on the ground, looks like wires from the spare and molten metal from the wheel

https://i.imgur.com/j8SRr68.jpeg

cell phone?

https://i.imgur.com/GfIsUlk.jpeg

photograph facing the drivers side - shows it's an SUV

https://i.imgur.com/BpEmRqU.jpeg

looking from the passenger side over the hood of the car to the front right

https://i.imgur.com/XEfYYvw.png

terrain behind the car again

https://i.imgur.com/k2qSL6e.png

facing the passenger side of almost the whole car

https://i.imgur.com/uPVVJuT.jpeg

front bumper from drivers side

https://i.imgur.com/yuMnheN.png

front bumper from passenger side

https://i.imgur.com/wFJaKBy.jpeg

engine

https://i.imgur.com/sM3b9cF.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/mDir3Mk.jpeg

Above images are from the first 8 minutes of the recording.

The police arrived at around the 23 minute mark and told the men to leave, talked with the men a little, and then escorting the walking men back to their cars by following in a patrol car. Two more patrol cars can be seen arriving in the background. At the 34 minute mark, the person featured in the video closes the recording with a prayer that the information reaches the public. He encourages people to help by donating to those impacted.

Video taken by the same YOUTUBE account of fire damage inside the restricted zone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mppuqs7YF0

~~~~~~~~2018 November  Paradise fire Images below~~~~~~~~~~

LINKS ONLY DUE TO COPYRIGHT

Forest fire burned houses but not trees.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/03/01/business/01Utility/01Utility-superJumbo-v2.jpg

Trees and telephone poles intact but fire melted all but steel frame of car
https://i.imgur.com/iPTPBzE.png

Piles of ashes on the cement foundations of houses remains, but the trees surrounding them are intact.

https://i.imgur.com/A1rtbD8.png

This might be a better example:
https://i.imgur.com/u5TYk87.png

A forest fire when only the buildings burn
https://i.imgur.com/arO8VVk.png

Google Images search results for paradise fire here:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=561276914&q=paradise+california+fire&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUnO-lkoSBAxVklmoFHSurDk0Q0pQJegQIEBAB&biw=1920&bih=955&dpr=1#imgrc=PC1vVi_xoK_dJM

 

[ConservativeInPA]

Police forbid access to the fire locations and tell people outside the restricted zone not to take pictures (from roadside - facing into the zone).

Eff the pigs.

[BenLurkin]

A car burned. Got it.

[Chad C. Mulligan]

So the point if all that is.......what?

[HartleyMBaldwin]

Well, I wasn’t too sure for the first 8 or 10 pictures, but by the end I was convinced. A car did indeed burn.

[Wilderness Conservative]

Would love to hear from a fireman if they ever saw this before. Puddles of metal?

[meatloaf]

Looks like other car fires I’ve responded to put out.

All of the plastic burns real good. Aluminum wheels and magnesium stuff you let burn.

[chuck allen]

Ancient Chinese Secret!

[vpintheak]

This is conspiracy theory nonsense. Dry, hot, extremely windy. Sparks carry a long way. Dry grass burns easily. I’ve talked to people and woodland firefighters that tell me trees that have no fire near them will simply explode from the high heat nearby.

[ransomnote]

Yes - it seems to mean a grass fire had enough fuel to burn at a heat sufficient to melt metal and glass and did so long enough to melt it all down to puddles.

[nuconvert]

Insurance fraud?

[PGR88]

This talk about a “directed energy weapon” is silly - does anyone even know what a DEW is? How it works? Have they ever seen one? Or seen one in action?

[sit-rep]

thats not the shoulder of the road dude... thats more like 50 to 74 feet off the road ell into a burned area. are you saying this car was planted there after the fire?? Well they did a good job spreading the ashes underneath it!!

[smokingfrog]

Look familiar?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/greek-investigators-find-indications-arson-wildfires-killed-82/story?id=56836370

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), nuconvert wrote:

Insurance fraud?

I thought about that, but how much fuel did they use and for how long - long enough to melt a car? And what tools did they use - flame thrower? If the police won't let you take pictures, why would they let people torch a car long enough and hot enough to melt it? Somebody playing with a flamethrower could get 1825(F) but that wouldn't melt the glass and they'd have to stand there covering the whole car for a long time to melt the engine, which is protected by the steel hood. And wouldn't that attract attention?

The car burned there - its remains pepper the ground.

[sit-rep]

DEW is nothing more than a Laser.

We havent invented the Plasma rifle in a 40 Watt range yet...

[chuck allen]

“ The video, which was originally posted to TikTok, initially shows a short clip of what appears to be molten metal (identified as aluminium in the voiceover) spilling out from a burnt-out car in Maui.

It then cuts to a speaker, who claims that the aluminium in the wheels “needs a minimum of 660 Celsius for it to melt” and that there is “not a fire that could create that kind of heat”.

This is not true. The average temperature of a forest fire specifically is around 800°C with extremes of up to 1,200°C—far higher than the melting point of pure aluminium (approximately 660°C).

Furthermore, the metal part of the wheel is often made of aluminium alloy, meaning the aluminium is mixed with other metals (though they can also be made of steel or pure aluminium). This can reduce the melting point, though the melting point of steel is much higher than aluminium.”

[nuconvert]

9th picture down makes it look like it’s in a burn area.

[redshawk]

The tsunami of March 11, 2011.
Tohoku was simply wiped off the face of the map.
That’s all I got.