Posted on 08/30/2023 5:14:39 PM PDT by ransomnote
ransomnote: The first video was recorded outside the restricted zone. The video features a car on the shoulder of the road supposedly burned from the nearby grassfire (car is essentially melted except for steel frame - steering colum, steering wheel, glass etc.) with most of the terrain surrounding it intact. I put several still images taken from the video below for those who don't want to watch it.
Just a few notes:
Police forbid access to the fire locations and tell people outside the restricted zone not to take pictures (from roadside - facing into the zone).Near the bottom of this post I put the link to a second video taken inside the restricted zone. That video features 2 cars, essentially melted except for steel framing. They are surrounded by untouched property, houses etc.
(Note that the second video is linked near the bottom and images from the 2018 Paradise fire have been liked at the end of this post)
Internet searches indicate average temperature of grass fires ranges from around 300 degrees farenheit up to 700 degres Farenheit(F).
Automotive glass melts at 2552°F to 2912°F
Steel melts at 2700°F
Aluminum melts at 1220°F
Cast Iron melts at 2200°F
https://i.imgur.com/6vHt8ZG.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/iPMu3g2.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Nqp21B0.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/KNXi33m.jpegphotographed in through driver's window - steering column and wheel is gone
https://i.imgur.com/0mjmt80.png
https://i.imgur.com/vuHXxc8.pngcrumbling aluminum roof rack
https://i.imgur.com/gYrsW2m.png
https://i.imgur.com/dzNXwjF.pnglooking at the terrain in front of the car
https://i.imgur.com/ecbv8Bd.pngin front to the right
https://i.imgur.com/gJydu4m.jpegthe view behind the car
https://i.imgur.com/vH5UkBQ.pngstanding off center to the passenger side of the front of the car and facing the highway a little toward the drivers side
https://i.imgur.com/PZI1ZDd.jpegstanding off center to the drivers side of the car of the car and facine back and to the passenger side of the car
https://i.imgur.com/Iyd1qDT.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Rf32uZ6.jpeglooking in through passenger window
https://i.imgur.com/4OC2WBs.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/tn2NEaN.jpegwindshield melted in the center of the pic
https://i.imgur.com/ymZP4Ot.jpegBack of vehicle - I think I see a little circular pile of wires on the ground where the spare tire burned off the bracket
https://i.imgur.com/R6HSbpT.jpegpuddle of metal beneath the center back bumper
https://i.imgur.com/gcKAGRO.jpegcloser to the puddle of metal behind the car
https://i.imgur.com/atCKdcF.pngbehind the car on the ground, looks like wires from the spare and molten metal from the wheel
https://i.imgur.com/j8SRr68.jpegcell phone?
https://i.imgur.com/GfIsUlk.jpegphotograph facing the drivers side - shows it's an SUV
https://i.imgur.com/BpEmRqU.jpeglooking from the passenger side over the hood of the car to the front right
https://i.imgur.com/XEfYYvw.pngterrain behind the car again
https://i.imgur.com/k2qSL6e.pngfacing the passenger side of almost the whole car
https://i.imgur.com/uPVVJuT.jpegfront bumper from drivers side
https://i.imgur.com/yuMnheN.pngfront bumper from passenger side
https://i.imgur.com/wFJaKBy.jpegengine
https://i.imgur.com/sM3b9cF.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/mDir3Mk.jpegAbove images are from the first 8 minutes of the recording.
The police arrived at around the 23 minute mark and told the men to leave, talked with the men a little, and then escorting the walking men back to their cars by following in a patrol car. Two more patrol cars can be seen arriving in the background. At the 34 minute mark, the person featured in the video closes the recording with a prayer that the information reaches the public. He encourages people to help by donating to those impacted.
Video taken by the same YOUTUBE account of fire damage inside the restricted zone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mppuqs7YF0
~~~~~~~~2018 November Paradise fire Images below~~~~~~~~~~
LINKS ONLY DUE TO COPYRIGHT
Forest fire burned houses but not trees.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/03/01/business/01Utility/01Utility-superJumbo-v2.jpgTrees and telephone poles intact but fire melted all but steel frame of car
https://i.imgur.com/iPTPBzE.pngPiles of ashes on the cement foundations of houses remains, but the trees surrounding them are intact.
https://i.imgur.com/A1rtbD8.png
This might be a better example:
https://i.imgur.com/u5TYk87.pngA forest fire when only the buildings burn
https://i.imgur.com/arO8VVk.pngGoogle Images search results for paradise fire here:
Eff the pigs.
A car burned. Got it.
So the point if all that is.......what?
Well, I wasn’t too sure for the first 8 or 10 pictures, but by the end I was convinced. A car did indeed burn.
Would love to hear from a fireman if they ever saw this before. Puddles of metal?
Looks like other car fires I’ve responded to put out.
All of the plastic burns real good. Aluminum wheels and magnesium stuff you let burn.
Ancient Chinese Secret!
This is conspiracy theory nonsense. Dry, hot, extremely windy. Sparks carry a long way. Dry grass burns easily. I’ve talked to people and woodland firefighters that tell me trees that have no fire near them will simply explode from the high heat nearby.
Yes - it seems to mean a grass fire had enough fuel to burn at a heat sufficient to melt metal and glass and did so long enough to melt it all down to puddles.
Insurance fraud?
This talk about a “directed energy weapon” is silly - does anyone even know what a DEW is? How it works? Have they ever seen one? Or seen one in action?
thats not the shoulder of the road dude... thats more like 50 to 74 feet off the road ell into a burned area. are you saying this car was planted there after the fire?? Well they did a good job spreading the ashes underneath it!!
Look familiar?
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), nuconvert wrote: Insurance fraud?
I thought about that, but how much fuel did they use and for how long - long enough to melt a car? And what tools did they use - flame thrower? If the police won't let you take pictures, why would they let people torch a car long enough and hot enough to melt it? Somebody playing with a flamethrower could get 1825(F) but that wouldn't melt the glass and they'd have to stand there covering the whole car for a long time to melt the engine, which is protected by the steel hood. And wouldn't that attract attention?
The car burned there - its remains pepper the ground.
DEW is nothing more than a Laser.
We havent invented the Plasma rifle in a 40 Watt range yet...
“ The video, which was originally posted to TikTok, initially shows a short clip of what appears to be molten metal (identified as aluminium in the voiceover) spilling out from a burnt-out car in Maui.
It then cuts to a speaker, who claims that the aluminium in the wheels “needs a minimum of 660 Celsius for it to melt” and that there is “not a fire that could create that kind of heat”.
This is not true. The average temperature of a forest fire specifically is around 800°C with extremes of up to 1,200°C—far higher than the melting point of pure aluminium (approximately 660°C).
Furthermore, the metal part of the wheel is often made of aluminium alloy, meaning the aluminium is mixed with other metals (though they can also be made of steel or pure aluminium). This can reduce the melting point, though the melting point of steel is much higher than aluminium.”
9th picture down makes it look like it’s in a burn area.
The tsunami of March 11, 2011.
Tohoku was simply wiped off the face of the map.
That’s all I got.
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