Posted on 08/02/2023 8:35:33 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Last week, I had a front-row seat at the hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee’s Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), also known as UFOs. The three witnesses provided extraordinary testimony on their observations of aerial craft with performance characteristics far beyond those of modern aircraft, as well as knowledge of a hidden U.S. government crash retrieval program of such vehicles and their nonhuman operators.
The witnesses were former officers in the U.S. military with stellar service records. Their message to Congress was that we are not alone, we possess technology unlike anything available in the public or private sectors, and the U.S. government has covered up this earth-shattering information for decades.
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As a retired U.S. Navy flag officer, I can attest to the integrity and authenticity of the two pilots who testified: retired Commander David Fravor and Ryan Graves. I have served on three aircraft carriers and count many Naval aviators as close friends. These two witnesses are the real deal.
So is David Grusch. As a Navy information warfare officer, I worked closely with the intelligence community and Grusch’s former command, the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I too have been read into special access programs, and I understand how Department of Defense classification systems and authorities work. His testimony is 100 percent credible.
It may take time for society to come to grips with this historic hearing, but we will be best served by immediately responding as follows:
1) The U.S. Congress should continue to demand the Department of Defense and intelligence community disclose UAP information, data, and materials to the public.
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2) The U.S. government should show leadership in international scientific studies of UAP.
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3) The U.S. research community should significantly expand the scientific study of UAP.
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How arrogant to believe we are the only species that has developed a means for travel between celestial bodies. Now that we are finding out otherwise, we must demand disclosure of what the government knows. Instead of staying asleep at the wheel, we should wake up as a society for the safety, security, and scientific advantages that can be gained
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John Paul Jones if resurrected would probably ask the same question of our current Navy.
But, one answer is: The more complexity, the more that can go wrong.
That said, a grain of salt still fits this bill.
“What would they gain with secrecy?”
Like animals in a wild life preserve. They try to interact as little as possible.
They go about their way and do their own business. It is man who is hiding them from other men.
But we are the new kids on the block. They have been here forever. Long before us.
In the UFO world the “counter arguments” that are not ad hominem attacks boil down to debunking specific sightings or individuals.
If successful the debunker/skeptic has convinced folks that one incident was not correctly reported.
Then they get to deal with thousands of other incidents—rough task—like stomping on ants at a picnic.
They have persuaded me that a couple of the UFO incidents in the literature are mistaken identity—the Kecksburg, PA sighting apparently was a fallen US craft (conventional technology) and Jacques Vallee and others are convinced that the Tic-Tacs are also conventional very advanced secret US tech (at least partially because they are of a type previously unknown in the UFO literature. Any “new” UFO type post 1990 or so is suspect in their view.)
They are a distraction from the Biden/Democrap crime syndicate.
It is like the mass insanity caused by ergotism during the middle ages...
Who exactly is distracted from anything?
Not you.
Not me.
Not anybody on FR.
So who exactly.
Most people could not care less about this topic.
look!!!!Squirrel!!!
The “story of the century” is how America allowed the left to flush the Republic
“These beings (if that is what they are) may see humans as nothing more than sensory mechanisms that can be occupied (or possessed) to enjoy the physical and emotional dimensions of this planet.”
You are nailing it now Rooster... Absolutely.
Wrong. Lots of people use this to suck up news cycles.
If that's all you have to add, why are you even on this thread?
Do you look under your bed every night for a boogieman dressed like a squirrel?
This is a thread for adults who know how to ask legitimate questions, not a thread for adolescents looking for attention.
“...Jacques Vallee and others are convinced that the Tic-Tacs are also conventional very advanced secret US tech...”
It would seem extremely odd to use this “advanced secret US tech” in a carrier group training environment, where the odds of detection couldn’t be higher.
“Lots of people use this to suck up news cycles.”
Name publications that have stopped what they normally cover to cover this.
The leftist propaganda sites still spew endless leftist propaganda—our our friendly sites certainly have not gone off message.
This “distraction” is itself a “squirrel”—runs away whenever you try to look for it.
“It would seem extremely odd to use this “advanced secret US tech” in a carrier group training environment, where the odds of detection couldn’t be higher.”
Agreed. My opinion fwiw is that the purpose is to muddy the waters between what is “theirs” and what is “ours”.
The story can later be used to discredit UFOlogy world.
It is a sort of poison pill.
Usually, mature and intelligent people like objective debates so they can see all sides of an issue, but not so this issue.
There are almost 100 comments on this thread that seemed to be aimed at canceling any discussion of it. It's the kind of behavior you see in Woke colleges and universities that don't permit conservatives on campus.
It's out of character for grown-ups (as you said).
“My opinion fwiw is that the purpose is to muddy the waters between what is “theirs” and what is “ours”.
The story can later be used to discredit UFOlogy world.”
That’s a plausible explanation.
“Wrong. Lots of people use this to suck up news cycles.”
Zero evidence of that.
That entirely discounts the likelihood that getting here is at the limits of the aliens' technology. That part of it is VERY difficult. Far, far more difficult than producing vehicles that can considerably outperform anything we have now.
Consider: If mankind really applied itself, we could in a few years send a few small vehicles to Mars. But, if there were 5 billion feisty Martians, say, at a 1920's technology level, could we subdue or "dominate" them? Not a chance. And that's a tiny journey compared to a visit from even Proxima Centauri.
It's one thing to send a few small vehicles to Mars. It's quite another to send and supply the USS Gerald R. Ford.
"Logistics".
We collected alien bodies, you say?
FINE!
BRING ‘EM OUT … NOW!!!
Or do We The People start kicking down doors until we find the right ones?
We are sick and (bleeping) tired of being cheated, robbed of our tax money and just plain LIED TO by people that we are paying, and paying well, for answers.
Habeus corpus. Show us the bodies.
The problem, however, is:
The DOD allegedly has the bodies and they aren't releasing anything--no records, no bodies...no comment.
Additional note:
The whistleblower says he has names of those who are involved with said "bodies" and has locations where the bodies (and downed craft) are kept. He will provide this to the appropriate Congressional committees in a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) as soon as Congress can arrange one.
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