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1 posted on 07/03/2023 4:11:50 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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Another idea would be to cut the size and expense of inefficient government.


2 posted on 07/03/2023 4:12:02 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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In Nevada the DOT has been pushing this along gently for 10 years. I suspect that they have the ground work laid and the legislation all ready written.


3 posted on 07/03/2023 4:15:03 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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“a VMT means collecting money directly from hundreds of millions of owners of hundreds of million cars. How?”

37,000 new IRS hires.


5 posted on 07/03/2023 4:20:40 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Cracker...)
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Why not put a state excise tax meter on the EV charger (if that is not already in place...)?


6 posted on 07/03/2023 4:21:36 AM PDT by jeffc (Resident of the free State of Florida)
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From the article:

The American Transportation Research Institute found that replacing the fuel tax with a VMT tax that uses GPS devices “could result in collection costs of more than $20 billion annually – about 300 times higher than the federal fuel tax.”

Worse, a GPS system would open a Pandora’s box of new government intrusions.

It could, the GAO noted, lead to “variable pricing programs” that “charge drivers different rates based on the type of road or the location of travel.” But it could also vary the tax based on the kind of car you drive, how you drive, what time of day you drive, or any other behavior the government wants to discourage.

It would, in short, let government bureaucrats “politicize the way we drive by playing favorites,” notes Heritage Foundation researcher David Ditch.



7 posted on 07/03/2023 4:24:33 AM PDT by Bratch
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I don't need a reason to hate EVs - It comes naturally, but if they need tax revenues (that absolutely won't be used for road repair, but rather will be sent to ukraine) then why not just charge extra (get it?) at the public and commercial charging stations? Eliminate all the free charging stations and put a card swipe on them. And remove the IRS $7,500 tax credit on the purchase of EVs.

Little faggotmobiles.

8 posted on 07/03/2023 4:24:45 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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But look more closely, and the VMT tax is perhaps one of the most insidious tax ideas ever devised.

So a per-mile tax, depending on how it's implemented, will give them information not only on how far you go, but also where and when you go, and how fast you go to get there. It will flag you if you go to the range, a gun store, a bar, a Trump rally, or a church or temple. It will know who you visit and whether that person is a "domestic terrorist".

The possibilities are endless, and the scheme is a democrat tyrant's wet dream.

9 posted on 07/03/2023 4:34:24 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Faux News: "We distort, you deride")
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The target isn't to collect more money (though that's always attractive to our socialist government) - it's to limit our movement.

EVs are short-range vehicles and there will never be enough power generation available to allow the freedom of movement we have now. Today, you can fuel up and drive the family all across the country at will. The all-powerful government doesn't want that and aims to keep us in our communities (and preferably, unarmed).

There are no Constitutional protections for travel or transportation, so they see their opening to keep us sealed in our ghettos.

10 posted on 07/03/2023 4:37:10 AM PDT by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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Not to mention that the one thousand pounds of battery in EVs makes them heavier than the average ICE vehicle.
Therefore, doing more damage on average/mile driven than an ICE vehicle.


11 posted on 07/03/2023 4:39:54 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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So simple but I never thought about it. Thank you for posting.
What a disaster. Mandatory odometer readings? Odometer readings automatically broadcast with vehicle identification.

The current bureaucrats are evil overlords with no understanding or respect for the Constitution and the covenants that have made America great.


13 posted on 07/03/2023 4:50:38 AM PDT by JayGalt (Convenience is the bait in which the true poison is concealed.)
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Journalistic hating of electric vehicles is a hate crime


17 posted on 07/03/2023 5:02:54 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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As a Globalist in an earlier life, I can tell you that one of the things that really annoyed us was the ability of Americans to freely travel domestically without us having any way to manage these movements.

So, it’s clear to me that today’s Globalists will strongly support this new taxing scheme, especially considering the possibilities it opens up, which go FAR BEYOND anything being discussed now, and allow the per-mile rate to vary with:

1. Time of Day
2. Roads Traveled
3. Vehicle Size and Present Value
4. Whether other options exist (buses, trains, etc.)
5. Purpose of travel (critical things, like government meetings or Stinger production for Ukraine, or non-critical things like picking up kids from school or going shopping).
6. Income of vehicle owner
7. Political party of vehicle owner
8. Social credit score of vehicle owner

Hard to see a down side to this plan!


23 posted on 07/03/2023 5:50:10 AM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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Let me think about this a minute:
Charging electric vehicles will load and crash the power grid— so Americans use generators. This will increase the price of fuel, but it will still be cheaper to use gas.

But what if we quickly build a lot of nuclear power plants. They’ll need money to do this, so they’ll probably tax electricity more as taxes fall more often to the beneficiaries. They’ll tax oil too, but I think it will still be cheaper than electricity.

If they build the plants, the grid will be able to keep up with demand and eventually charging won’t cost so much as the dollar approaches the value of the rupee. .
But charging up your electric car will still cost more than filling your car with gas because the resultant drop in demand for that fuel will lead to an oversupply of gas and a drop in price.

Keep your gas car.


30 posted on 07/03/2023 6:50:12 AM PDT by tsomer (ally )
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As fuel taxes plummet

BS right off the bat. It' the money they've raised from fuel taxes that may be down because they've put the kibosh on the average family's ability to travel due to inflation - that they themselves caused.

37 posted on 07/03/2023 7:41:21 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America.)
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Highway gas taxes also often pay for bike paths.


41 posted on 07/03/2023 8:00:32 AM PDT by 11x62
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ping


43 posted on 07/03/2023 8:09:09 AM PDT by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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In the first instance it is just dumb to tax fuel as a flat tax instead of a percentage of the cost of the fuel. I see the desire to keep the revenue strream flat with floating fuel prices but if we can’t have a flat tax why do we have a flat fuel tax?

I’m all for taxing by the mile actually since I hardly go anywhere anymore. I drove 1,650 miles last year.

No, I don’t care anymore.


46 posted on 07/03/2023 8:20:21 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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I know a guy who drove his Tesla from Detroit to Utah last fall for a softball tournament. It took him an extra day to drive due to locating charging stations and charging times than previous years when he drove his gas cars.


51 posted on 07/03/2023 8:41:06 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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