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It Begins: 20 Heavily Armed IRS and ATF Agents Raid Great Falls Gun Store, Seize Firearm Purchase Records
The Gateway Pundit ^ | 16 June 2023 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 06/17/2023 6:28:43 AM PDT by old school

"In an unprecedented move, twenty armed Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agents carried out a raid on a gun store in Great Falls, Montana, seizing all Form 4473s – documents that record buyer’s information during firearms transactions."

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To: Reno89519

Perhaps there was some predicate that many/most of us would agree justified law enforcement activity.
Perhaps the owner’s ex-wife made up a bunch of stuff in a custody dispute.
Perhaps the feds didn’t like the shop owner’s politics.
Perhaps the feds are making an example of someone to intimidate others, on unsettled issues like “pistol braces” and “ghost guns”. A massive gestapo raid is a tell that this was for show.

The point being that the government does deserve the benefit of the doubt. They need to provide facts to the public immediately lest negative assumptions rule.


41 posted on 06/17/2023 6:59:15 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: old school

Most likely sold guns to alleged White Supremacists?

Remember - the FBI has identified them as the most dangerous criminal group in the USA.

Or - LOL - they sold a gun to Hunter Biden?


42 posted on 06/17/2023 7:00:54 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“Don’t overreact until you hear the facts.”

I would normally agree,

BUT,

The IRS under Obama targeted Tea Party members. Members who owned businesses were also harrassed by OSHA and other Gov’t agencies. What the gunshop owner has stated is pretty much consistent with the way Dems operate.

The gunshop owner is in trouble one way or another. If someone filled out a 4473 and didn’t put in their middle name, and the gunshop accepted the 4473 as is, then they could have their license revoked for not keeping accurate records. Gunshop owners under Obama got into trouble for minor errors of punctuation and mispellings on Federal forms.

Hopefully this guy has enough money to hire good lawyers and fight back.


43 posted on 06/17/2023 7:05:21 AM PDT by Roadrunner383
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To: old school

Heh heh. They sure were trying to find a crime. Hell, they even had OSHA looking into this dude.

They probably mostly just wanted the records of who bought from him.

I bet they couldn’t find anything, got frustrated, and just pulled the trigger anyway. Seems to be the MO these days.


44 posted on 06/17/2023 7:06:25 AM PDT by Sarcazmo (I live by the Golden Rule. As applied by others; I'm not selfish.)
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To: philman_36

https://twitter.com/gunclubprez/status/1669735804820676608


45 posted on 06/17/2023 7:08:08 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: old school

When I was in school, we were taught about communism. Is it still taught today? I remember wondering how did a country become communism? Why did the people let it happen?

Today, I am seeing this and too many do not know what is happening and the frog is being cooked right before our eyes. We have no checks and balances anymore.. the corrupt ones have finally gotten the control over all of us.. everyone of us!

By cheating... by lying...by force.. by being so dirty it doesn’t seem possible that it is happening!


46 posted on 06/17/2023 7:08:45 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: frnewsjunkie
I remember wondering how did a country become communism? Why did the people let it happen?

Because the Commies finally wised up and traded in the Mao Suits for business suits, and stopped quoting Marx, and started quoting Adam Smith.

47 posted on 06/17/2023 7:10:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: old school

They will find the crime. Guilty until proven innocent. Kinda like the attacks on Trump.


48 posted on 06/17/2023 7:13:32 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (It's The Clown Show.)
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To: Reno89519

They have to start somewhere.
Until we hear the story, I’m assuming that is all it is.


49 posted on 06/17/2023 7:13:51 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"Don’t overreact until you hear the facts. The wild ones on here have to be Federal instigators. The IRS involvement has to mean they believe someone owes taxes and apparently refused to pay them. Wait until the charges come out, then report back."

If they only seized the 4473 forms, that sounds rather unlikely. Those forms would have nothing to do with what the owner paid or didn't pay in taxes. Sounds more like they were targeting customers like the Oathkeepers or militia members that purchased guns there. At least, that's what I would surmise.

50 posted on 06/17/2023 7:15:02 AM PDT by Danie_2023
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To: Reno89519

Agreed, there’s likely more to this story.


51 posted on 06/17/2023 7:15:20 AM PDT by EBH (America Blackmailed, The True Story of the World War...Coming Soon)
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To: old school

the heavily armed irs atf fbi whatever are all a joke

law enforcement agencies are authorized to investigate crimes

but to go all barney fife every time is laughable

i recall the swat team being called out for a tea party event

there was a line of officers in full swat gear standing behind a group of grandmas sitting in lawn chairs

mock them mercilessly


52 posted on 06/17/2023 7:16:03 AM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: Sarcazmo

I don’t think it is BOD, it is prudent to ask why the government took this action.


53 posted on 06/17/2023 7:18:24 AM PDT by EBH (America Blackmailed, The True Story of the World War...Coming Soon)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Why 20 heavily armed agents?

Field experience? These become leaders or future raiding parties?

I wonder what “heavily armed” means. Guys in full tac gear with MP-5s? I’m more inclined to believe it was guys...and gals... in chinos and polo shirts, with sidearms.

54 posted on 06/17/2023 7:20:39 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: old school

More insight here: https://montanatalks.com/developing-story-irsatf-raid-on-great-falls-gun-store/


55 posted on 06/17/2023 7:24:07 AM PDT by EBH (America Blackmailed, The True Story of the World War...Coming Soon)
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To: gundog

“fun guns”

One can only imagine what might have happened if he had advertised them as “militia weapons.”


56 posted on 06/17/2023 7:25:27 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: old school

I was surfing on You Tube and saw a headline on Jason Whitlock’s channel which referred to alphabet Mafia.

It fits.

FBI, DOJ, CIA, ATF, every one doing nothing but committing crimes against the innocent while our country is being invaded by millions upon millions.


57 posted on 06/17/2023 7:28:12 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: dfwgator

The republican party is doing nothing to stop it. they let the dems put a senile old man in as president.. it should not have been allowed to happen.

The hatred in Washington DC of Trump .. it takes over their minds.. and they breed it...they don’t even know why. They can pick at minor things, but it’s their global goal and communism that drives them, and Trump is not on that band wagon!

I keep waiting for the gop to rise up... but they have been lacking for so many years.. they can’t seem to get any fire in their system to “just do what is right”!


58 posted on 06/17/2023 7:29:07 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: frnewsjunkie
The hatred in Washington DC of Trump

They hate you and me, and want us dead.

59 posted on 06/17/2023 7:29:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Chewbarkah
The point being that the government does deserve the benefit of the doubt.

No, they don't.

Most government officials want ordinary citizens disarmed and unable to even think about resisting criminal predators. They are very plain spoken on this point. The facts and the restraints of law simply do not matter to them.

Government officials have a long history of harassing gun owners and anyone supplying gun owners. They use a tangled web of "gotcha" regulations and "laws", every one of which is flagrantly unconstitutional.

"Unconstitutional"? I don't think that word means what you think it means. (Apologies to The Princess Bride)

We don't have the backstory in this case. When no information is available, you go with the odds. They don't favor the government being honest or truthful.

60 posted on 06/17/2023 7:33:27 AM PDT by flamberge (I am not cynical. I am just a fast learner.)
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