Posted on 06/08/2023 5:30:49 AM PDT by Red Badger
Taking a plot point from the 1990 Sean Connery movie thriller The Hunt for Red October, DARPA is working on a super-silent submarine drive that has no moving parts and provides propulsion through the water using magnets and electricity.
In Red October, the titular Soviet super-submarine was equipped with a fictional stealth drive that was based on a very real technology. Since the late 1950s, engineers have been interested in an exotic concept called magnetohydrodynamics (MHD). It's a very simple principle that produces a very simple propulsion mechanism.
In an MHD drive, a fluid, like air or water, is given an electric charge and is then accelerated by an electromagnetic field, generating thrust. Basically, an MHD drive consists of a hollow tube with electrodes at one end and magnetic coils around it. Since the device doesn't have any shafts, gears, propellers, turbines, or jets, it produces very little noise and even the small amount it does generate can be attributed to natural sources.
Such a stealth drive would be invaluable for submarine warfare. Not only would it allow submarines to remain hidden from hunters, it would also be a big help on reconnaissance and intelligence missions by removing the boat's interfering audio signal as its sonar gathers data.
The question is, if this technology is so valuable, why hasn't it been used for over 60 years except in a couple of experimental surface boats? The answer is twofold. First, the electromagnetic coils need to be extremely powerful and making ones that are light enough and efficient enough to install in a submarine isn't easy. The second is that the electrodes must stand up to a lot of wear due to corrosion, hydrolysis, and erosion caused by the interaction of the magnetic fields, electrical current, and saltwater.
(Excerpt) Read more at newatlas.com ...
https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/-2023-05-18
Taking a New Look at Fundamental Tech for Quiet Undersea Propulsion DARPA sees opportunity to finally make efficient, scalable magnetohydrodynamic drive a reality
OUTREACH@DARPA.MIL
5/18/2023
Since the 1960s, academic, commercial, and military researchers have attempted to realize a novel form of maritime propulsion involving no moving parts – no propeller, no drive shaft, no seals – just magnets and an electric current that silently propel a boat or submarine through water.
Developers have had some success over the decades demonstrating magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) drive technology on a small scale, but it has been inefficient and impractical for full-scale systems due to a couple big tech hurdles. The first challenge has been inability to generate powerful enough magnetic fields to enable high-efficiency pumps. The second has been lack of electrode materials that can withstand corrosion, hydrolysis, and erosion caused by the interaction of magnetic fields, electrical current, and saltwater. In recent years, breakthroughs in generating high magnetic fields have been demonstrated, but the electrode materials problem remains.
To address the materials challenge, DARPA announced the Principles of Undersea Magnetohydrodynamic Pumps (PUMP) program that seeks to create novel electrode materials suitable for a militarily significant MHD drive. The program will assemble and validate multi-physics modeling and simulation tools including hydrodynamics, electrochemistry, and magnetics for scaling MHD designs. The goal of the program is to determine an electrode material system and prototype an MHD drive that could be scaled up.
“The best efficiency demonstrated in a magnetohydrodynamic drive to date was 1992 on the Yamato-1, a 30m vessel that achieved 6.6 knots with an efficiency of around 30% using a magnetic field strength of approximately 4 Tesla,” said Susan Swithenbank, PUMP program manager in DARPA’s Defense Sciences Office. “In the last couple years, the commercial fusion industry has made advances in rare-earth barium copper oxide (REBCO) magnets that have demonstrated large-scale magnetic fields as high as 20 Tesla that could potentially yield 90% efficiency in a magnetohydrodynamic drive, which is worth pursuing. Now that the glass ceiling in high magnetic field generation has been broken, PUMP aims to achieve a breakthrough to solve the electrode materials challenge.”
A major problem when electric current, magnetic field, and saltwater interact is the development of gas bubbles over the electrode surfaces. The bubbles reduce efficiency and can collapse and erode the electrode surfaces. PUMP will address different approaches to reduce the effect of hydrolysis and erosion. The program also will enable modeling of interactions between the magnetic field, the hydrodynamic, and the electrochemical reactions, which all happen on different time and length scales.
“We’re hoping to leverage insights into novel material coatings from the fuel cell and battery industries, since they deal with the same bubble generation problem,” Swithenbank said. “We’re looking for expertise across all fields covering hydrodynamics, electrochemistry, and magnetics to form teams to help us finally realize a militarily relevant scale magnetohydrodynamic drive.”
PUMP is a 42-month program. There are multiple potential approaches to the MHD system including conductive and inductive approaches. The conductive approach involves a conductive current between a pair of electrodes within a magnetic field. The inductive approach uses a time-varying magnetic field and electric current.
A hybrid PUMP Proposers Day is scheduled for May 31, 2023. Register to attend in person or virtually (https://sam.gov/opp/dd803009baa84477a4bf100765d47c01/view). Deadline for registration is 5 p.m. ET, May 24, 2023.
A Broad Agency Announcement (BAA) solicitation with full program details is expected in late May or early June 2023 and will be posted on www.SAM.gov.
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Interesting.
interestingly, there have been WORKING LANR/CF patent
applications on this, but the criminals in charge
of the USPTO have KNOWINGLY lied for 3 decades
to keep this (clean, safe, quiet energy production)
from the American public and military.
Why bother is the claim that the current subs are silent is true?
Nothing like a powerful magnetic field to track.
Will they call the new Submarine the, “USS Matthew Shepard”?
Type in DARPA+LOKI a project they have spent millions on.
Haven’t looked at it recently but they should have made some progress by now.
Curious to see that, but several searches came up empty.
Could you elaborate, or post a link? Thanks in advance
The article’s author doesn’t know his fiction. “Hunt for the Red October” was NOT a “James Bond thriller;” although Sean Connery played the captain of the “Red October.”
It was written by novelist Tom Clancy. The lead character was Jack Ryan.
They don’t just lie—they actively ridicule and attack anyone who attempts to expose the lies.
It sounds like whales humping.
I noticed that after I posted it. But the “star” was the great actor and shootist, Alec Baldwin. And him playing Jack Ryan is the only role I’ve liked him in.
He was okay in Beetlejuice......................
Connery was great in that movie, playing Capt Ramius (I probably spelled it wrong.). Even a young Alec Baldwin was good.
Sounds like it works like a giant electron microscope.
MHD had great promise as a power generation technology 30 and more years ago. You would create a very high temperature, high velocity charged combustion gas stream in a channel to produce power. The same types of problems mentioned in this article (and many others related to temperatures involved) killed it.
and will it’s top speed be enough to run???
Here is the closest link I could find, it’s mentioned
some where in this file. This research was in the 2005s
and I seen nothing current, so maybe they spent millions
and it didn’t work, or maybe it did and has gone dark.
This was to be a piloted underwater craft comparable to
a jet fighter, they were experimenting with something
called a “Vortex” drive, but now there is nothing.
N a r r a t i v e T i t l e FY 2003 FY 2004 FY 2005 Loki / Mobile Undersea Distributed Systems 3.945 0.000 0.000 (U) The...Loki program evaluated technologies that had the potential to enable a revolutionary “fighter-like” submersible to counter the asymmetric threat posed by diesel submarines and other forces operating...
https://www.darpa.mil/attachments/(2G12)%20Global%20Nav%20-%20About%20Us%20-%20Budget%20-%20Budget%20Entries%20-%20FY2005%20(Approved).pdf
Thank you sir, I appreciate that
Seems odd that there is nothing more after years of
research and Millions spent.
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