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We Found a LOST Roman Town
YouTube ^ | 6 months ago | Paul and Rebecca Whitewick

Posted on 05/31/2023 8:18:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Welcome to another Roman mystery this week, as always, I do concern myself that I don't get the initially idea across well on video hence the mini intro! I hope it all makes sense.
We Found a LOST Roman Town | 12:20
Paul and Rebecca Whitewick | 81.7K subscribers | 36K views | 6 months ago
We Found a LOST Roman Town | 12:20 | Paul and Rebecca Whitewick | 81.7K subscribers | 36K views | 6 months ago

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; romanempire; rome; vindomis
Transcript
0:00·hi folks quick intro before I start this
0:03·video proper sometimes when I do a lot
0:05·of research for a video and I just chuck
0:07·all these ideas down into a rough script
0:09·I worry that it doesn't flow properly I
0:11·think this video does but you're gonna
0:13·have to pay attention because even I do
0:16·when I watch it over again nevertheless
0:18·this is me trying to find the lost Roman
0:21·town of vindomi it appears on a Roman
0:23·list a list being a journey from A to B
0:26·in all the towns in between one of those
0:28·towns is vindomio vindomis but nobody
0:32·knows where it is this is my journey to
0:34·try and find that lost Town using a lot
0:37·of different sources a lot of different
0:38·information so bear with it stick with
0:40·it there's a lot going on enjoy the
0:42·video Let's Roll the VT
0:49·[Music]
0:54·thank you
0:56·on this channel we normally make videos
0:59·about old routes whether it's an
1:02·abandoned Canal Roman Road ancient
1:04·trackway you name it
1:08·[Music]
1:11·but today we're going to do something we
1:13·haven't done before today we're going to
1:15·search for something static
1:17·[Music]
1:19·but in order to do that we need to look
1:23·at the root because as is often the case
1:25·the clues are in the journey
1:30·[Music]
1:38·welcome to the search for the Lost Roman
1:42·town of indomie
1:48·welcome
1:49·[Music]
1:50·now today's Journey Starts Here Farley
1:54·Mount fully just to the uh West a few
1:57·miles west of Winchester down there in
1:59·the trees in the distance and right
2:01·across the valley in front of us is a
2:03·Roman Road that's route 45a and it went
2:06·between Winchester and serum part of a
2:09·bigger route we'll come to that shortly
2:11·but Folly was built to commemorate a
2:14·horse was a very curious name the horse
2:16·was called beware chalk pit that's not a
2:20·warning that's the name of the horse
2:23·so 1735 and apparently the horse that
2:26·was buried under here won a important
2:29·race the owner a year before was riding
2:32·the horse and it fell into a 25 foot
2:34·deep chalk pit hence the name
2:38·so back to Roman Rhodes
2:40·I'll continue for your sanity and
2:42·probably mine too to use the modern name
2:45·for the Roman towns we're talking about
2:47·my head just back down the hill towards
2:51·the serum the Winchester route well our
2:55·story actually doesn't start there for
2:57·that we need to head all the way down to
2:59·Exeter
3:04·okay so I'm not actually gonna head all
3:06·the way to Exeter instead we'll use some
3:09·funky Graphics a bit like this this is a
3:13·route between silchester in North West
3:15·Hampshire all the way down to Exeter
3:18·it has a number of important towns along
3:20·its route we'll come to that shortly now
3:23·Roman roads have numbers which are
3:25·relatively new addition Ivan McGarry
3:27·came up with a system similar to that
3:29·used on Modern roads today but for the
3:32·purpose of this video that doesn't
3:34·really matter what does matter is how we
3:37·know this route was actually a route
3:43·foreign
3:44·[Music]
3:48·so the Romans used to use lists love a
3:51·good list let's call them itineraries
3:54·now one of these was of the Roman
3:56·Emperor Antonius or Antonius
4:01·I don't think it was specific to him but
4:03·nevertheless it was a list of
4:06·225 Roots containing uh stopping places
4:10·stations towns you name it now the most
4:14·important part of that list to us here
4:16·in the UK was the last 15 lists on the
4:20·back end of that itinerary
4:23·[Music]
4:24·now whilst they aren't hugely
4:26·comprehensive to the entire network in
4:28·fact I think it only contained 25 of the
4:31·known Roman roads in the UK they did
4:34·list the mileage and the towns along
4:38·that route
4:39·that's where today's mystery comes into
4:42·play the last route on that list of 15
4:46·so list x v the road from silchester all
4:50·the way down to Exeter
4:53·now the fact that that route was on the
4:56·end of the UK the British section and
4:59·that in itself was on the end of the
5:01·entire itinerary combined with the fact
5:04·that it's probably been transcribed a
5:06·few times since we're probably going to
5:08·be looking for some mistakes and that is
5:10·where today's mystery was born from
5:14·so here is that itinerary transcribed
5:17·once again this time well by me now I'm
5:21·going to hide most of that for the
5:22·moment so let's head to Exeter as we do
5:25·that metaphorically of course let's have
5:27·a look at one of the oldest maps in
5:29·existence for yet more context this is
5:32·the table
5:33·puttinga a 13th century parchment copy
5:37·of a Roman map and it's utterly
5:39·beautiful and extremely not to scale
5:42·just look at the scrolling I'm having to
5:44·do to get to the far left end
5:51·which interestingly and once again means
5:54·the UK is not great in fact it's largely
5:57·missing all we have left is a very
6:00·smudged bit of Southern England so can
6:02·this help us in any way
6:04·[Music]
6:17·yes it can indeed because interestingly
6:20·it contains the last section of
6:23·itinerary 15. the guitar sham or near
6:27·Horizon to Exeter and lo and behold they
6:31·both match the map itself says 15 15
6:34·miles and the itinerary itself says 15
6:37·miles that's brilliant so what's next
6:40·well let's look at the whole route and
6:43·I'll measure all of those distances
6:45·between each town and compare them
6:48·against the itinerary itself now bear in
6:50·mind of course I said earlier it's
6:51·smudged so it's going to have a few
6:53·mistakes or at least we're expecting a
6:55·few mistakes
6:56·foreign
7:00·make those calculations in the
7:02·background just arrived at one of my
7:05·favorite pieces of Roman Road which you
7:07·can still see today because in the
7:08·middle of an old Deer Park this is
7:10·Connell nearly at the top of a chute
7:12·Causeway where it took a deviation
7:14·apparently and
7:16·um yeah in this Deer Park you can still
7:18·see the the Roman Road today probably
7:20·sit on that camera but um I just come
7:23·down this bank here well this is one of
7:25·the ditches at the side of the Roman
7:27·Road still mid-november and it's full of
7:30·vegetation so you're not really going to
7:31·make any of it out perhaps from the sky
7:34·you might be able to nevertheless right
7:37·there in front of me that
7:39·Bank there is the Roman Road which heads
7:42·north to cirencester south to Winchester
7:47·[Music]
7:49·it's mistakes Bradbury to Dorchester is
7:52·roughly 18 to 19 miles not as stated so
7:55·let's change that Bradbury to Serum is
7:57·21 not 12. Ashley to Serum is more like
8:02·15 not eight Winchester to Ashley is six
8:05·not eleven
8:08·so let's stop there because now we've
8:10·got one last distance to measure between
8:13·Winchester and silchester now if we draw
8:16·a direct line between the two well
8:18·that's 24 miles now the itinerary for
8:21·this list states the overall route from
8:24·silchester to Exeter was 136. so that
8:28·fits pretty well 111 plus 24 has 135
8:33·that's only a mile out fantastic
8:35·so why then are we seeing two different
8:37·measurements between silchester and
8:39·Winchester we're seeing an XV 15 and
8:42·we're seeing an xxi for 21 miles that's
8:45·36 miles in total and even if we try and
8:48·draw lines to make those meet in
8:51·different directions well that seems
8:53·miles out of the actual line of the
8:55·route itself
8:58·[Music]
9:09·so that's confused antiquarians and
9:12·anyone that's really sought to try and
9:13·find vendomus centuries now do you take
9:17·the literal route of 15 miles and 21
9:19·miles and therefore make a big deviation
9:22·in the root or do you take the straight
9:24·line between the two Winchester and
9:26·steel tester and make it 22 24 miles
9:34·in fact some have suggested it's here in
9:36·Saint maryborn just to the east of
9:39·Andover because if you take the 15 miles
9:42·along the portway well that fits quite
9:45·well but then the 21 Mile passes down to
9:49·Winchester well that doesn't work and
9:51·then there is nephem near Alton again
9:54·the distances could almost work if you
9:56·take 15 miles south Southeast along
9:58·Roman Road 155 then you land here and lo
10:03·and behold well there was a significant
10:06·Town found here markets dwellings
10:09·streets you name it
10:11·the distance from here to Winchester
10:13·however is around 20 out
10:16·so let's get back to the mileage let's
10:18·assume they did indeed head from
10:21·silchester Street to Winchester let's
10:24·change the XV to x i i in case that was
10:27·an error and let's change the xxi to an
10:30·x i in case that was an error so then we
10:33·have 12 and 11 and pretty much we bridge
10:36·that Gap and while that gives us a
10:39·completely new insight into where we
10:42·might find vindomis
10:47·he near the wheat sheath pretty much
10:50·halfway between the two
10:53·[Music]
11:01·now I don't want you to think this is a
11:03·uh something I've magically come up with
11:05·this whole theory of course the Roman
11:07·Road research Association I've been
11:09·mulling this over for years and as I
11:12·mentioned antiquarians for decades and
11:15·centuries alike but it does show you
11:17·what there is out there still to
11:19·discover still to discuss and still to
11:21·almost sit from your own armchair at
11:24·home and ponder over and of course the
11:27·one thing that we've learned from this
11:29·perhaps is it's not always best to start
11:32·a route from silchester or one specific
11:35·point maybe sometimes it's good to flip
11:37·on its head and start the other end
11:39·where you know something is correct and
11:42·then work backwards it's a one lesson
11:44·I've learned today if you've enjoyed
11:46·this little video
11:47·hit the like button and uh I'll be back
11:50·this time next week
11:56·[Music]
12:03·[Music]

1 posted on 05/31/2023 8:18:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
It's been a while since I'd thought about this pair, enjoy!

2 posted on 05/31/2023 8:18:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpers are Republicans the same way Liz Cheney is a Republican.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It wasn’t lost, it was just misplaced..................


3 posted on 05/31/2023 8:20:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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Neatham (Vindomis) Roman Settlement
https://www.roman-britain.co.uk/?places=neatham


4 posted on 05/31/2023 8:21:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpers are Republicans the same way Liz Cheney is a Republican.)
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To: SunkenCiv

They should demand reparations.


5 posted on 05/31/2023 8:25:51 AM PDT by bwest
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To: bwest

That might be why they disappeared. Caesars were sensitive about demands.


6 posted on 05/31/2023 8:35:58 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: SunkenCiv

Destroyed by the Roman legions after the town residents started a Carthaginian Lives Matter demonstration.


7 posted on 05/31/2023 9:09:39 AM PDT by I-ambush (We watched the moment of defeat, played back over on the video screen. )
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To: SunkenCiv
Quintilius Varus, give me back my lost towns!
8 posted on 05/31/2023 10:59:46 AM PDT by nicollo ("I said no!")
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To: SunkenCiv

9 posted on 05/31/2023 2:30:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: SunkenCiv

It was hard to track down because it kept Roman around.


10 posted on 05/31/2023 2:33:06 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Red Badger

Them people in europe sure do lose the darnedest things.


11 posted on 05/31/2023 5:28:00 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: I-ambush

Nowadays, just leave town, and the “movement” and its “demonstrators” will destroy the town for you.


12 posted on 06/01/2023 8:43:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpers are Republicans the same way Liz Cheney is a Republican.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Have you heard of Boncuklu Tarla?


13 posted on 06/01/2023 5:39:52 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

Heh, yeah, it’s come up a few times lately, if you see a good article or vid, please post it.


14 posted on 06/02/2023 5:56:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpers are Republicans the same way Liz Cheney is a Republican.)
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