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Can somebody natural born, but was a foreign leader, ever become President?
May 23, 2023 | Jonty30

Posted on 05/23/2023 1:10:56 AM PDT by Jonty30

Just a question of curiousity.

I understand, from the intents of the Founding Fathers that this should be impossible due to dual loyalties, but is there anything stopping a natural born US citizen from becoming Prime Minister of Canada and then coming back and becoming President of the United States?


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To: 9YearLurker

Boris Johnson renounced his US citizenship.


21 posted on 05/23/2023 4:38:07 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Two Words: BANANA REPUBLIC!)
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To: Jonty30

IIRC Johnson claimed to be renouncing his citizenship because of tax issues. Under US law a person’s *worldwide* income is subject to taxation by the IRS. Very few,if any,other countries have such a policy.


22 posted on 05/23/2023 4:40:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Two Words: BANANA REPUBLIC!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I pointed that out above.


23 posted on 05/23/2023 4:51:23 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You are correct.


24 posted on 05/23/2023 5:15:54 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Jonty30

Actually no, as neither parent was an American citizen when he was born. Furthermore, Boris was never recognized as a U.S. citizen. He was born on June 19th, 1964 in the Upper East Side of Manhattan, New York City, and his family moved back to England in Sept. of 1964. He has never applied to become a U.S. citizen either. Thus, he is not a citizen, let alone a natural born citizen.


25 posted on 05/23/2023 5:16:27 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Jonty30

Those familiar with the application of statutory construction would understand the 14th Amendment (birthright U.S. citizenship) is not the same as Art. II, §1, cl. 5 natural-born U.S. citizens.

A natural-born U.S. citizen requires both parents (sole jurisdiction) to be U.S. citizens at the time of birth of the child. In this respect, neither Obama nor Johnson were natural-born U.S. citizens. For that matter, neither Tulsi Gabbard, Nikki Haley, nor Vivek Ramaswamy are natural-born U.S. citizens. They are 14th Amendment (birthright) U.S. citizens.


26 posted on 05/23/2023 5:20:23 AM PDT by batazoid (me )
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To: Jonty30
Re: "Natural born, but foreign leader"

From memory...

The Constitution has a permanent residency requirement for a President and Vice President.

Seventeen years - from memory.

27 posted on 05/23/2023 5:20:49 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Jonty30

Birth etc Constitution does not matter any more - When the time is right, the Dems will run Xi Jinping.


28 posted on 05/23/2023 5:28:03 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: zeestephen

14 years permanent residency.

I just checked the text.


29 posted on 05/23/2023 5:29:14 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Jonty30

Natural Born = BOTH parents are citizens AND the individual born on home soil. Obama does not meet that standard.


30 posted on 05/23/2023 5:31:49 AM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner (Vivamus stultus ignarus mori )
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To: Jonty30

Anything goes now since The Constitution is no longer being observed.

Remember that “We are the World” thingy?


31 posted on 05/23/2023 5:33:24 AM PDT by dforest (Get kiryandil out of the cornfield)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

I’m not talking about Obama. I’m just wondering if a child, who is born of two American citizens but becomes a leader of another country returns to America.

Can he run for President.


32 posted on 05/23/2023 5:33:59 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: Jonty30

Winston Churchill could have been POTUS.....................


33 posted on 05/23/2023 5:40:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Hawaii was already a state when Obama was born in Kenya.

Fixed it.

34 posted on 05/23/2023 5:45:27 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Red Badger

He was born in England.


35 posted on 05/23/2023 6:05:35 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: Jonty30

His mother was a US citizen.

Same as Obama................


36 posted on 05/23/2023 6:06:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Neat. I was not aware of that.


37 posted on 05/23/2023 6:14:48 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: Jonty30

Kenya was part of the British Empire, so Maybe that only works for Black Americans.................


38 posted on 05/23/2023 6:18:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Robert DeLong

As neither parent was a diplomat, BoJo was a US citizen by birth. He renounced his US citizenship in 2017.


39 posted on 05/23/2023 6:29:06 AM PDT by x
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Probably akin to ted Cruz, who had no clue that he was a Canadian citizen. I contend he was never a U.S. citizen because he never remained in this country for even a year after his birth. I'm sure his parents didn't even see him as anything other than a British citizen.

Technically he could be mislabeled as a U.S. citizen, due to the poorly written & incorrect interpretation of the 14th amendment. The intention of the 14th Amendment was not to make citizens of people who bore children while granted admission into the U.S. on a temporary basis to attend school or hold temporary employment. Nor was the intention for it to make citizens out of people who had entered the country illegally. For a fraudulent act invalidates all.

I contend that the parents of Boris had to officially request that their son Boris be recognized as a citizen of the U.S. to be designated as a citizen. In 1964, the interpretation 14th Amendment was not viewed as it later became to be viewed.

40 posted on 05/23/2023 7:00:43 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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