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The collapse of Russian influence is widening
Yahoo ^ | 18 May 2023 | Mark Toth

Posted on 05/19/2023 4:20:09 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

As Russian President Vladimir Putin’s “special military operation” continues its downward spiral in Ukraine, the future of Russian-occupied or dominated territories is becoming a subject of interest, beginning with Kaliningrad.

...Moldova took what could be the first step on May 15, when Igor Grosu, President of the Parliament of the Republic of Moldova, announced Moldova was formally withdrawing from the Commonwealth of Independent States interparliamentary assembly — the Russian equivalent of the British Commonwealth

...In a worst-case scenario, if you were to overlay the domino theory of U.S. Cold War policy, substituting “getting out from underneath Russian oppression” for “the spread of communism, Russia could experience another event akin to the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989. That original event led to the dissolution of the Soviet Union. If Russia cannot keep its occupied territories in line, what would it mean for the Russian-led Collective Security Treaty Organization, which currently includes Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, and Tajikistan? Sensing weakness as a result of Russia’s failures in Ukraine, will these other peripheral countries continue to stand by the Kremlin?

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History
KEYWORDS: globalistpropaganda; knigsberg
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Putin has placed Russia in a no-win dilemma.

If Putin succeeds with his Holodomor II, who will purchase Russian energy products? Or anything else.

When the Ukrainians succeed, the empty shell of the Russian Federation cracks apart. Why should the local revenue all pass through Moscow? Why speak the language of our oppressor?

Add in the many released convicts to Russian society, the UNTREATED injured returnees, unpaid military wages, unpaid death benefits to families...

China will make a small token payment, in trade goods, to reclaim their lands in Manchuria.

There are no good outcomes for Russia.

1 posted on 05/19/2023 4:20:09 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Hmmm - tell that to the new BRICS financial alliance…


2 posted on 05/19/2023 4:22:49 PM PDT by Skywise
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The walls are closing in.


3 posted on 05/19/2023 4:25:45 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“When the Ukrainians succeed”

That’s not happening unless NATO enters the war and most of the NATO members are against that.


4 posted on 05/19/2023 4:27:13 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“who will purchase Russian energy products?”

You can start by seeing what CNN has to say...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/14/energy/russia-oil-exports-iea-report/index.html


5 posted on 05/19/2023 4:27:32 PM PDT by BobL
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To: DUMBGRUNT

If the US cannot keep its occupied territories in line, what would it mean for the US-led NATO. Sensing weakness as a result of NATO’s failures in Ukraine, will these other peripheral countries continue to stand by the US?


6 posted on 05/19/2023 4:28:44 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Putin is not conducting Holodomor II - your accusation is insulting to those who died in Holodomor.

The Ukrainians are losing but as those running this proxy war are not in the Ukraine, they will grind down every last male who can hold a gun before ‘negotiating peace.” There is no good outcome for the Ukraine. Almost 2/3 of the citizens fled and the infrastructure is gone. If Zelensky was a real leader, he would have negotiated peace while there was something for the refugees to come home to. But he’s just a puppet in NATO’S proxy war against Russia.


7 posted on 05/19/2023 4:29:15 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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“who will purchase Russian energy products?”

It turns out that the world has turned to buying its oil from that well-known petroleum power house - India. Where is India getting the oil from - oh yeah, don't look now.

8 posted on 05/19/2023 4:30:22 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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“Holodomor II”

Holodomor II is occurring as we speak. An entire generation of Ukrainian men are dying for nothing. It’s tragic.


9 posted on 05/19/2023 4:30:46 PM PDT by jimwatx
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Even if NATO is for is and wants to, they have nothing to do it with. The UK has an afternoons worth of artillery ammo and has fewer than 200 tanks. The Germans have laughably less and what they do send gets to be “Germans in Ukraine, fighting Russians”, so that’ll never happen.
Norway? Finland, etc? LOL

Sure.


10 posted on 05/19/2023 4:33:14 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: jimwatx

The Ukrainian Army may have 10 years left. Then the demographics will doom them. Russia is losing population but not as much as Ukraine.

11 posted on 05/19/2023 4:33:35 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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“It turns out that the world has turned to buying its oil from that well-known petroleum power house - India. Where is India getting the oil from - oh yeah, don’t look now.”

LOL, and now we’re screaming at India for buying Russian oil and cutting it with other oil...which was TOTALLY ALLOWED by the sanctions.

...and, to add to the ever-increasing Neocon humiliation, India just told us to TAKE A HIKE when it comes to trying to get their help with our WW3 plans.


12 posted on 05/19/2023 4:34:53 PM PDT by BobL
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I suppose this is suppose to make me happy that my government is wasting billions of my tax dollars on a country that I don’t care about.


13 posted on 05/19/2023 4:36:29 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Yahoo sourced this article from The Hill, a left leaning news source, the owner of which is Nextstar Group, a holding company in which Vanguard Group and Blackrock, both allies with the DEI and Green New Deal ideologies, are major owners. Therefore, anything they report is going to favor the Deep State.
14 posted on 05/19/2023 4:36:32 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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“Holodomor II is occurring as we speak. An entire generation of Ukrainian men are dying for nothing. It’s tragic.”

They are dying for something, which is to satisfy the Neocon BLOOD LUST they have regarding Russia.


15 posted on 05/19/2023 4:36:43 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Effing neocon morons. Incompetence in spades.


16 posted on 05/19/2023 4:38:56 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Wallace T.

Ah yes the eat the bugs crowd. If Ukraine wins we are under the WEF’s thumb and own nothing. If Ukraine loses then expect more movement away from the dollar and we’ll be crushed by inflation.

Four years ago we didn’t have this problem. Wonder what changed?


17 posted on 05/19/2023 4:46:38 PM PDT by packagingguy
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‘The Ukrainians are losing but as those running this proxy war are not in the Ukraine”

Another Russian troll. Of course Russia is losing. What is the point of negotiating with someone who will cheat?


18 posted on 05/19/2023 4:46:46 PM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: Seruzawa

I predict that the nation that will lose the most is the USA when we are tricked into WW III—and Lose in two years. A humbled America will seek scapegoats and be ripped apart in Civil War. America will be chopped into three nations then. Only the rich will come out OK with homes in far away places. Boy, I hope I am wrong. The new F-16 deal looks more and more like I am right. If India joins the Russia/China/Iran Axis we will be hard pressed to win.


19 posted on 05/19/2023 4:50:36 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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America will be chopped into three nations then.

Only after China, Russia and their Mexican drug gang allies take what they have won as the spoils of war.

20 posted on 05/19/2023 4:53:21 PM PDT by Publius
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