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Trump vs. DeSantis 2024
None | 5/13/2023 | Ebshumidors

Posted on 05/13/2023 7:41:16 PM PDT by ebshumidors

I’ve been watching the Trump vs. DeSantis showdown here and have a few questions. I voted for Trump twice, worked the phones and poll watched for him and am convinced he was the only one for regular Americans. He had the right policies for us. I have two concerns. He is supposedly a germaphobe and I think that influenced his decisions regarding Covid. He also didn’t have a team behind him. Many stabbed him in the back. How would it be different if he was elected for another term?

Regarding Desantis, I watched some of his Iowa stuff and he seems to say the right things. He may even be to the right of Trump on some issues. He also seems to have a good argument about what he’s done in Florida. He doesn’t have Trump’s suburban housewife baggage (who my wife of 31 yrs asked how many times Trump’s been married - she voted for him and we’re not voting for a Pope) but I’m sure they’ll come up with something to hang on him. I know that many have said that he’s beholden to big donors.

I’m on team fight it out for the nomination, After that, I’m on team how do you fix the rig and how do you win I haven’t heard any of that from anyone.


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KEYWORDS: 2024; biased; debackstabber; deosantus; desantis; fakenews; meatball; trump
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To: skr

Trump put the head of BlackRock, on his COVID Advisory Council.


221 posted on 05/14/2023 8:26:02 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: elenvee

DeSantis’s communications director is one of the toughest people around. She’s definitely worth following. She may be even more of a bulldog than he is.


222 posted on 05/14/2023 8:32:21 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Alberta's Child
We heard the same crap about George W. Bush in 2000 and Jeb Bush in 2016.

No, we did not.

223 posted on 05/14/2023 8:32:59 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: elenvee

Thank you, but I think you’re beating your head against a wall. They really cannot hear it.


224 posted on 05/14/2023 8:49:11 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: elenvee

The thing is that Trump won in 2016 by speaking the language of the forgotten working Americans. In 2020, it sounded more like it was about him, and the turmoil that marked his administration scared off a lot of suburban voters who had put him in office in 2016.


225 posted on 05/14/2023 8:53:23 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: FreeReign

Trump locked down the country — initially, for 15 days, “while we figure out what’s going on here.” Then he attacked DeSantis fir re-opening too early. Trump is the one who empowered the dictator wannabe Fauci.


226 posted on 05/14/2023 8:55:21 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: elenvee

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-decided-shut-down-country-175458381.html


227 posted on 05/14/2023 8:58:22 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: mbrfl

DeSantis was in the Navy.


228 posted on 05/14/2023 9:03:59 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I saw plenty of spouting off on how they have to be MIL people; defending Bush because he “only” had NG service when Dems tried to attack that (despite Klintoon never serving either).

Nor did Trump, FWIW. DeSantis was in the Navy.

229 posted on 05/14/2023 9:05:55 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Hitlery was whining, alot like Trump later, about how it was stolen from her.

And Warren, Wyden, and Klobuchar wrote to Dominion complaining that their machines shifted votes.

It seems to me that this should be a good opportunity to enact some realistic election reform so the Democrats don't think it was stolen and neither do the Republicans. (The Libertarians, maybe.)

230 posted on 05/14/2023 9:08:34 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: mbrfl
there are differences between wealth that’s been handed down for generations and wealth that’s been acquired more recently.

I sometimes say that the first generation accumulates, the second generation consolidates, and the third generation dissipates.

231 posted on 05/14/2023 9:09:51 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

https://twitter.com/Shaftan/status/1652826663435005954

“DeSantis won over Gillum in spite of Trump, not because of him.

He repaid the favor in 2020.”


232 posted on 05/14/2023 9:14:31 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: TBP

There’s probably some truth to that.


233 posted on 05/14/2023 9:14:48 PM PDT by mbrfl (That's my Governor! Yes, that's right. That over-hyped Establishment tool is my Governor.)
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To: TBP
Trump's candidate was a RINO. They should have nominated a real conservative, like Kathy Barnette, but Trump sent his minions out to destroy her.

Trump's candidate was a RINO (he was also a Pennsylvanian in name only if we're honest with ourselves), but Doug Mastriano was as MAGA as it got and he failed spectacularly (and I like Mastriano a lot as a personality). Kathy Barnette (whom I also like) wouldn't have won either.

PA is not about conservative or liberal, it's a machine state that wins or loses based on your side's machine turning out more voters than the other side.

To win statewide in PA you have to either work with the party machinery (which is largely neverTrump chamber of commerce schlubs), or you have to outwork the democrat party machinery by yourself, which is currently working so smoothly that they elected a stroke victim who, even in perfect health, was a lazy slob socialist.

234 posted on 05/14/2023 10:26:07 PM PDT by jz638
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To: TBP

That’s some serious revisionism. DeSantis wouldn’t have even won the 2018 GOP nomination without Trump’s endorsement.


235 posted on 05/15/2023 1:36:30 AM PDT by mbrfl (That's my Governor! Yes, that's right. That over-hyped Establishment tool is my Governor.)
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To: TBP

He is the stalking horse for the Uniparty by opposing them on the key issues??? You live in a fantasy world.
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SoConPubbie
“It was a total debacle and I’ve never been more ashamed to work at CNN,” said the anonymous talent. “I don’t think anybody came out looking good. This is entirely a corporate and management failure. They should have anticipated how out of control Trump would be.”
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fortesfortunajuvat
The outrage and weeping of Leftists over Trump’s stellar performance on CNN recently is really laughable. But take special note of that last sentence above because it reveals exactly how those on the Left view not just President Trump but every peasant who is not in lockstep with their tyrannical authority! WE, LIKE PRESIDENT TRUMP, ARE OUT OF CONTROL! WHO’S CONTROL? WHY THEIRS OF COURSE! FREAKING FASCIST MORONS!


236 posted on 05/15/2023 4:23:42 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Current POPE and POTUS: corrupt, ignorant, paranoid, angry, deeply hateful, and deeply despised.)
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To: TBP

1) Secure our borders.
2) Peace in the world.
3) Fairness for our businesses abroad.
4) Returning manufacturing to the US.
5) Equal opportunity for all Americans.
6) Energy independence.

plus that new one
7) Defeat the Deep State.


237 posted on 05/15/2023 7:21:35 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.for corruptiion)
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To: TBP
Trump locked down the country — initially, for 15 days, “while we figure out what’s going on here.” Then he attacked DeSantis fir re-opening too early. Trump is the one who empowered the dictator wannabe Fauci.

No.

As I said, Trump sent out guidelines to the states. It wasn't mandatory. Seven states said no to the lockdown guidelines as was their right. Florida was not one of those seven states.

DeSantis chose to lockdown Florida, and that's exactly what he did.

238 posted on 05/15/2023 9:06:37 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: TBP

That’s all you have, lol. No comment about DeSanctimonious voting for the Trans Pacific Partnership. Free Traitor on, lol.


239 posted on 05/15/2023 9:55:51 AM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could fight - Romeo company)
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To: TBP

‘ 1968 and 1980 — Incumbent Democrat president is challenged by a Kennedy. Republicans win. The Florida economy is strong. DeSantis made FL red’

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Interesting that you ignored other points in my post. Typical. Cherry picking doesn’t win a debate. Assuming you’re really interested in fair debate, I’m in. I have doubts though, I’ve seen many of your gaslighting comments elsewhere.

Addressing your cherry picked response:

“Republicans win if Kennedy runs”, it isn’t 1968 or 1980. Much has changed.

Only old people hate the Kennedy oligarchy.
Those under 60 don’t have that baggage.
The parties have shifted, rep are now more inline with blue dog democrats of yesteryear and dems are now authoritarian.
RFK is more like rep in some ways (especially compared to the current dem politicians, the woke marxists)
He is against vax, climate, censorship, careless spending, wars, etc. this will appeal to the middle and is not very different than part of the rep platform

The above is why I stated it would be more difficult running against RFK than Biden. Whether he would win, hard telling. Do I like RFK? No, I don’t trust most ‘politicians’. He is like a Tulsi Gabbard, often speaking common sense but very liberal at heart.

The FL economy is strong…….no doubt it is. My statement that DeSantis doesn’t have a background on the economy: I was referencing nationally. A guy in Iowa cannot experience a FL economy. But that same man experienced Trump’s economy. See the difference?

Too many DeSantis supporters are ignoring the ‘common voter’. Most don’t care, most don’t research, most get their info from commercials. My point, facts do not matter. DeSantis is actually more conservative than Trump. If RDS wins the general, the ‘commercials’ will paint him as authoritarian and use the legislation passed as proof. Granted, they will misconstrue it. The 6 wk abortion alone will alienate millions, especially women.

Support RDS if you wish, difficult to see how RDS wins the general if he can’t win the primary. My prediction:

RDS will lose the primary.
Trump will lose the general 2024.
4 years of democrat leadership
2028 rep primary will have some unknowns and they will beat RDS
RDS will not win the 2028 primary.
He will end up on Fox news as a commentator like Gowdy.

Bark at that all you like, it’s an opinion. Had RDS stated in September that he was or wasn’t running, he would have won 2028 even with the unknown opponents. His decisions exposed him and folks don’t forget. Many rep voters are sick of most rep politicians because they are liars and opportunists. DeSantis has been coy which is the opposite of forthright and transparent. And that is why he will lose 2028 assuming there are better choices.


240 posted on 05/15/2023 12:36:39 PM PDT by Moe-Patrick (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem)
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