What really killed COVID-19 patients: It wasn't a cytokine storm, suggests study (Secondary bacterial pneumonia from ventilators)

Medical Xpress / Northwestern University / Journal of Clinical Investigation ^ | May 4, 2023 | Catherine A. Gao et al

[ConservativeMind]

Secondary bacterial infection of the lung (pneumonia) was extremely common in patients with COVID-19, affecting almost half the patients who required support from mechanical ventilation. By applying machine learning to medical record data, scientists found that secondary bacterial pneumonia that does not resolve was a key driver of death in patients with COVID-19. It may even exceed death rates from the viral infection itself.

The scientists also found evidence that COVID-19 does not cause a "cytokine storm," so often believed to cause death.

"Our study highlights the importance of preventing, looking for and aggressively treating secondary bacterial pneumonia in critically ill patients with severe pneumonia, including those with COVID-19," said senior author Dr. Benjamin Singer.

The investigators found nearly half of patients with COVID-19 develop a secondary ventilator-associated bacterial pneumonia.

"Those who were cured of their secondary pneumonia were likely to live, while those whose pneumonia did not resolve were more likely to die," Singer said. "Our data suggested that the mortality related to the virus itself is relatively low, but other things that happen during the ICU stay, like secondary bacterial pneumonia, offset that."

The study findings also negate the cytokine storm theory, said Singer.

"The term 'cytokine storm' means an overwhelming inflammation that drives organ failure in your lungs, your kidneys, your brain and other organs," Singer said. "If that were true, if cytokine storm were underlying the long length of stay we see in patients with COVID-19, we would expect to see frequent transitions to states that are characterized by multi-organ failure. That's not what we saw."

The study analyzed 585 patients in the intensive care unit (ICU) at Northwestern Memorial Hospital with severe pneumonia and respiratory failure, 190 of whom had COVID-19.

[mewzilla]

And muzzles are fomites.

Anyone else curious about why there’s been nothing in the news the last three years regarding nosocomial spread of infections in hospitals and residential care settings...?

Three guesses, eh? And you won’t need the last two.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "The entire Covid protocol is harmful."

Your summary is quite accurate. Additionally, in order to "tolerate" the intubation, the use of "sedative hypnotic" drugs and even tying down patients' hands when they struggle to remove the ventilator mechanism was part of the "protocol." >P> Source: Sedation in mechanically ventilated covid-19 patients: A narrative review for emergency medicine providers

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8118705/

The official stats testify that the United States had more than four times the number of deaths per capita as many third world countries, and your explanation and the additional citation are a valid explanation of why. The "protocol" supercharged by the CARES act funds turns out to have been deadly.

[maddog55]

Ventilators were a known death sentence 2 years ago along with any government pushed medications including the the jab.

Fauci, the government and any Dr that pushed the BS killed the patients.

[KierkegaardMAN]

Remdesivir too, right?

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "...the same tired old argument that vents kill blah blah blah"

Fine words from a supposed physician, whose "prescription" for others in an earlier thread (5/2/2023), was --- "...to shrug and move on. Which is the correct thing to do."

Medical mistakes have been tallied at the third or fourth cause of death over a number of years. Suggested "blah blah blah" reading:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139

[AppyPappy]

BS. You go on the ventilator after getting bacterial pneumonia.
My sister got Covid, then pneumonia and refused the ventilator.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "nosocomial spread of infections in hospitals and residential care settings...."

Thank you for participating in this thread. May I recommend a source reading for you regarding an earlier example of this? One of a number of research articles worth taking note of....

Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic

[metmom]

Throw a rock over a fence and the dog that yelps is the one that got hit.

Yours is classic blame shifting as not one of the people you mentioned is in a medical position of actually implementing the treatment that is shown to have actually killed off n people that then got blamed on Covid.

That would be you and your fellow shot shills who are advocating for big government and big pharma and trying to defend the indefensible.

[metmom]

Did they look at oxidative stress as a cause for the pneumonia?

How about the initial protocol for Covid of *Stay home and don't do anything for your symptoms until you can't breathe and/or your lips are turning blue?*

You don't suppose THAT could be a factor in the development of pneumonia?

That is medical malpractice and those who advised that have blood on their hands for the deaths of who knows how many people from their murderous protocol, which being medical professionals, they should have KNOWN would happen.

And if they claim they didn't expect it, they have no business being doctors.

[metmom]

What a surprise.

Medical protocol killed people just as we knew and we called conspiracy theorists for pointing out.

[Magnatron]

The voter ID whine is the one I laugh hardest over. There’s nothing more racist than a leftist essentially saying: “Them darkies are too stupid to get an ID like us”.

They might as well be wearing their former sheets and hoods when they say it…

[aMorePerfectUnion]

… in related news

[bert]

Terry was bulimic

[ConservativeMind]

I think you may have posted to the wrong thread.

[Magnatron]

I think you may have posted to the wrong thread.

Oops! You’re right! 😂

[silverleaf]

Kinda already knew the Fauci treatment protocol ( ventilator+remdesivir) killed people. Forced on hospitals in exchange for govt bonuses and release from liability. Still in place.

Why the US death rate was so high.

[logi_cal869]

Medical protocol killed people just as we knew and we called conspiracy theorists for pointing out.

Exactly.

'Criminal' is inadequate, but no one oversees the masters.

[CodeToad]

This was reported many times, but the bought and paid for medically licensed (won’t call them professionals anymore) kept denying it and saying people were dying of covid and that we’re all going to die of covid if we don’t get the Genocide Juice shot.

[butlerweave]

City Dumps, the best place for ventilators

[David Chase]

Now now Doc.

Ransomnote presently has her hands full.

She’s trying to salvage the Q thread while people are realizing they’ve been following a load of horse deposits.

Even though the World has now declared Covid is over, the obsessions with vaccines and beliefs of yesteryear continue.

Of course the fact that this news destroys what was thrown in our faces for 2 years or so, that’s not gonna stop the CPR to keep Covid alive.

Then the total ignorance of Ransomnote referring to yet another “Whistle Blower” (aka unverified internet dude.)

Patients on a vent going for walks…….portable O2 of course.😆🤣😂

The lack of knowledge is laughable.

When it’s pointed out, the name calling begins and your call arrogant.

I know if I was a Resp. Therapist my patients would go fishing and play tennis.

You forgot one key person the cytokine storm drama.
Grey_Whiskers ………..wonder where is he now?
Probably doing his own research about Covid 24…….he wants to get a jump on things.