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FROM HOOKER’S ARMY: A Great Battle Probably Fought on Tuesday; NO REPORTS OF THE RESULTS (5/7/1863)
New York Times - Times Machine ^ | 5/7/1863

Posted on 05/07/2023 7:02:48 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

Various statements and rumors reached town yesterday and last night that the general engagement which raged through Sunday between the main Union and rebel armies near Chancellorsville had, after the pause of Monday, been removed on Tuesday morning, and was continued throughout the greater part of the day. It seems to be more than probable that this was the case; but the same difficulty has prevailed in regard to getting news of that day's engagement that has existed in regard to the previous days; and we have received nothing definite as to the character or results of the day's operations.

HOOKER REINFORCED BY HEINTZELMAN.

From the Philadelphia Bulletin of last evening.

No dispatches for the Press have been sent from Washington by telegraph to-day. But we know of a private dispatch received at noon to-day, from a perfectly trustworthy source, the tenor of which is as fellows:

The authorities at Washington are confident of Gen. HOOKER's success. He can maintain his position, and reinforcement to the number of 30,000 men, under Gen. HEINTZELMAN, have been sent to him. Nothing definite has been heard of Gen. STONEMAN, but he is believed to have accomplished the work assigned to him.

BATTLES OF SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY.

Interesting Incidents--Some of the Losses

NEAR CHANCELLORSVILLE, Monday Morning, May 4, 1863.

Among the most notable scenes of the great battles of Saturday night and Sunday, was the artillery fights of Capt. BEST's guns, massed on the ridge just in rear of the points where the enemy was successfully checked Saturday night in his fearful onslaught upon the Eleventh Corps. Capt. BEST is Chief of Artillery in the Twelfth Corps, but had on this occasion several other batteries beside his own.

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1 posted on 05/07/2023 7:02:48 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 05/07/2023 7:03:36 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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3 posted on 05/07/2023 7:04:21 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

He was Jack the Ripper. Why do you think working women are called Hookers?

Almost drowned off the Sonoma coast. If Orwell died from his neck wounds(Spanish civil war) he would not have written 1984.

Life-on-the-edgers do great things.


4 posted on 05/07/2023 7:19:30 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

“If I had Southern troops and Union artillery, I could lick the world.” - Anonymous Confederate officer

A Union Artillery Battery had six cannon, 72 horses, and 144 men. Each horse had its own groom, to keep them from bolting in battle. Each cannon was serviced by a crew of six, and its own caisson, also with a crew of six. There were six horses per caisson and six per cannon. The caissons were brought up with the artillery to prevent “shoot and scoot”, where artillery would fire off available ammunition and retreat to the rear.


5 posted on 05/07/2023 7:22:03 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

At Chancellorsville, the Union was winning pretty handily, until Hooker lost his nerve. For some inexplicable reason, he ordered a messy retreat. When the messenger with the order to retreat arrived at one Union regiment, the colonel who was whipping the Rebs, had him arrested and told him if he was lying he would have him shot. He sent his own orderly to confirm the order. The messenger was spared.


6 posted on 05/07/2023 7:26:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

General Hooker had his problems this battle would help to settle that issue for “Honest Abe”.

He was relieved of command in time for General Meade to lead during the Battle of Gettysburg and the rest is history.


7 posted on 05/07/2023 7:32:10 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Nextrush
He was relieved of command in time for General Meade to lead during the Battle of Gettysburg and the rest is history.

A personal note. (I have posted this information before.) My great-grandfather (sic my father's maternal grandfather) emigrated from Dublin and fought with the New York Infantry at First Manassas. He was discharged when his 90 day enlistment was over. He must have reenlisted because he was listed as deserting on the March to Chancellorsville on May 2, 1862. I do not know where he wound up, but my great-great-grandfather (paternal all the way) was a police captain fighting Irish rioters at the time of Gettysburg.

8 posted on 05/07/2023 7:42:13 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: Nextrush
General Hooker had his problems this battle would help to settle that issue for “Honest Abe”.

My gut feeling is most of the Generals that Abe fired where the big time political liars, they wanted fame and glory but didn't want to admit big mistakes when they made them.

9 posted on 05/07/2023 7:56:33 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite (1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Those riots remind us that the wars our country has fought were not as popular and glorious as they have been portrayed.

In World War I and II the opponents were cracked down on by Wilson and Roosevelt.


10 posted on 05/07/2023 8:17:26 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Nextrush

It was the Anglophile elite supported by British propaganda that supported our involvement in WW I and II.


11 posted on 05/07/2023 10:19:06 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

In the UK itself I’ve read Peter Hitchens lament of the First World War it was in the end the beginning of the end for the British Empire.

World War I not needed a mistake.

Because of World War I the conditions for World War II created a war that was needed but only because of the original mistake of World War I.


12 posted on 05/07/2023 10:32:03 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; Nextrush

Hooker’s problems reminded me of Grant at Shiloh. Sherman said, “Well Grant, we’ve had the Devil’s own day. Grant said, Yep, lick’em tomorrow though. The Union seemed to have to go through all the Eastern generals before Abe could choose one from the West.


13 posted on 05/07/2023 12:13:33 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Retain Mike

Yep, Westerners won the War, Sherman the most.


14 posted on 05/07/2023 12:19:05 PM PDT by cowboyusa (IT'S TIME TO PLAY COWBOYS AND MARXISTS!)
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To: Retain Mike

Grant made a major tactical blunder at Shiloh, and Johnston did not let him get away with it. He sent half his force across the Tennessee where it was cut off from support by the other half.

It is ironic that Johnston died at Shiloh, and Grant went on to be president. Grant tried to blame Lew Wallace, though Wallace seemed to have followed Grant’s ambiguous order as best he could. Wallace got his division march-ordered before changing routes. If he arrived helter-skelter to save time, his division would not have arrived ready to fight. Because of Grant’s accusations Wallace lived in ignominy for the remainder of his life, even when Grant, in his memoirs, conceded that Wallace had acted correctly.

Wallace, of course, is best known for his novel Ben Hur, about a prince whose life was ruined by an unjust accusation, yet who overcame, and found ultimate redemtion through Christ.


15 posted on 05/07/2023 1:25:05 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: Nextrush

Prior to Civil War the U.S. and Britain has about the same standard of living. The Civil War was costly for the U.S., on both sides, and Britain had the world’s highest living standard until World War I, and still hasn’t caught up. (The industrialized Northeast probably had a higher standard of living, or at least comparable prior to World War I.)

Both the (not-so-)Great War and the (not-so-)Civil War were avoidable, and tragic in terms of blood and treasure. Utter insanity.


16 posted on 05/07/2023 1:31:03 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: cowboyusa

Sherman would have been tried for We Crines at the time of WWII. The man condoned looting, rape and murder. No lower human being ever led an American Army.


17 posted on 05/07/2023 2:05:33 PM PDT by georgiarat (We must be free not because we claim freedom, but because we practice it. William Faulkner )
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Shouldn’t have committed treason against the US. Confederates and the left are the same. Both traitors who hate the US.


18 posted on 05/07/2023 2:25:49 PM PDT by cowboyusa (IT'S TIME TO PLAY COWBOYS AND MARXISTS!)
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To: FarCenter
FarCenter: "It was the Anglophile elite supported by British propaganda that supported our involvement in WW I and II."

Noooo, in both declarations of war -- 1917 and 1941 -- the votes in Congress were nearly unanimous, but in the years before those votes, politically it was isolationist Republicans versus globalist Democrats.
And who were those people?
The strongest support for helping Britain & France came from the US South:

In this map,
blue = Democrats supporting measures like FDR's Lend Lease
red = Largely isolationist Republicans
shades of red or blue = mixed Congressional delegations.


19 posted on 05/07/2023 3:33:26 PM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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Nextrush: "World War I not needed a mistake."

That is a total propaganda lie, perpetrated and believed by Germans themselves.
Until some honest researchers dug into the old German files and discovered the truth.

The truth is the First World War was planned long in advance by the German High Command, who considered war -- not a small local war, but a major Great Power war -- absolutely necessary, and by 1914, the sooner the better.

Why? Because Germany led Europe in 1914, in industrial and military power, but others, especially Russia, were catching up quickly.
So, the German plan for lebensraum in the East (yes, that's the word they used in 1914), would quickly become impossible if war didn't come soon.

The German plan only awaited an opportunity and in June 1914 it came with the assassination of Austria's Archduke Ferdinand & his wife, Sophie.
Kaiser Wilhelm wanted just a small, quick war, but his High Command was having none of that.
With the Kaiser's approval, they first pushed reluctant Austria to issue an ultimatum and declare war on Serbia, but then they refused to act on the Kaiser's orders to stand-down German mobilization.

So, there was absolutely nothing "accidental" about the First World War.
It was a war of imperial aggression by Germany and of national survival by Germany's Allied neighbors.

To think of it any other way is to do a great injustice to all those who suffered and died in it.

20 posted on 05/07/2023 3:59:09 PM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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