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How A Rotten Sex Pistol And His Wife Modeled Life-Long Commitment In A Rocky World
The Federalist ^ | 04/24/2023 | Steve Beard

Posted on 04/24/2023 10:16:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Despite Johnny’s outrageous public persona, his marriage to Nora never fed salacious headlines. There’s been only one woman in his orbit.

When the notorious Johnny Rotten (aka John Lydon) appeared on the fledgling punk rock scene decades ago as the frontman for the Sex Pistols, he didn’t appear as a likely candidate for being fully committed to a 44-year marriage.

Instead, he was public enemy No. 1 in Great Britain and was routinely denounced by politicians. He brutally mocked the monarchy in “God Save the Queen” and stirred a cauldron of teenage discontent with songs such as “Anarchy in the U.K.” and “Pretty Vacant.” His band savored unhinged chaos at their shows, and ­Rotten declared his intention to destroy everything.

Rolling Stone’s 1977 story on the band began by invoking a biblical notation: “Instead of perfume here will be rottenness” (Isaiah 3:24). “Rotten is perhaps the most captivating performer I’ve ever seen,” reported Charles M. Young. “He really doesn’t do that much besides snarl and be hunchbacked; it’s the eyes that kill you. They don’t pierce, they bludgeon.”

In the midst of that era’s mayhem, Lydon fell head over stilettos for Nora Forster, the woman who would capture his heart. At the age of 80, she died on April 6. They had been married since 1979. “The first time I met Nora, everyone told her not to talk to me because I was completely horrible,” Lydon (67) said with a smirk in an interview with Irish TV. “We ended up laughing and loving each other.”

Public attention to celebrity matrimony is often more focused on prenuptial agreements than on “in sickness and in health.” But there are some hard rock exceptions to the rule. Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne have been married for 42 years, while Alice and Sheryl Cooper recently celebrated their 47th wedding anniversary.

Lydon discussing issues of the heart can still strike old fans as slightly off-kilter ­— but it’s legit. “It’s love, you know. I’ve always loved that woman,” Lydon said of Nora in The Guardian last year. “And she knows it. When we met we didn’t expect to get on. We’d both been told the other was a bad’un. But blimey. Sparks flew. It was instant attraction. And that’s never gone. I never expected to feel like that.”

Despite Johnny’s outrageous public persona, his marriage to Nora never fed salacious headlines. After the implosion of the Sex Pistols, Lydon turned his creative energy to his post-punk band Public Image Ltd. Despite a long list of rotating bandmates and managers, there has been only one woman in Lydon’s orbit.

In the 2018 music documentary “The Public Image Is Rotten,” a much younger Lydon reports, “We are very happy [after 10 years of marriage]. We’ll never separate. When I make a commitment it is forever. I’m a loyalist.” He goes on to describe Nora: “Such an original person. That’s the hook for me. … When I come across something so incredibly original — that’s it — I’m in love with that. There’s not too much of that going on in the world.”

In recent years, Nora suffered from Alzheimer’s and Lydon was her protective and affectionate full-time caregiver. “I won’t let anyone mess up with her head,” he told the British Mirror three years ago. “For me, the real person is still there. That person I love is still there every minute of every day, and that is my life.”

When she was diagnosed with her illness, Lydon knew it would be a monumental challenge. “Alzheimer’s is a wicked, debilitating, slow, deliberate process, but we’re going through that together. She doesn’t forget me. She forgets everything else but not me,” he told The Times. “I know it’s going to deteriorate into something really, really terrible, but we’re facing it with a sense of dignity. … When I make a commitment it’s forever and I stand by that and I’m very proud to do the best I can for her. We’ve been together now 45 years; we’re not going to change anything.”

Despite a reputation as a cantankerous contrarian (he’s not everyone’s cup of tea), Lydon was fully devoted to Nora. “She is loved, and she knows she is loved. And her personality has always been vivacious, outgoing, bright and looking for the best in things,” he told The Telegraph before her death. “All the sadness I had to go through [when Nora became ill] is self-inflicted on myself and I’m seeing the light in it now.” He added: “In an odd weird way this is actually a gift from God, not a curse. Because it offers enormous self-reflection.”

As a child, Lydon suffered from spinal meningitis. He was in a coma for several months and experienced severe memory loss. “I know that fear of isolation. I know what it’s like to feel completely frightened and not know where you are,” he told the Daily Mail. Understandably, it was a traumatic event that he never wanted to relive.



“All the things I thought were the ultimate agony seem preposterous now,” Lydon told The Times in February. “It’s shaped me into what I am. I don’t think I’ll ever get over it.” He said the difficult journey has been “worth every moment,” adding that “no joy comes without pain and, boy, do I know that now.”

In her younger years, Nora Forster was a model, actress, and publishing heiress. She had also worked as a music promoter in Germany for Jimi Hendrix and Yes. Years later, she took on the role in London as a “Punk Mummy Warrior” and was a patron for the Pistols, The Clash, and The Slits (her daughter Ari Up’s band).

Forster and Lydon had met at the trendy punk fashion boutique run by designer Vivienne Westwood and promoter Malcolm McClaren. Lydon told The Guardian that Nora “was the most beautiful thing I’d ever seen. She was also well educated, funny and dressed magnificently, with a wink to 40s film noir.”

In the midst of the notoriety and controversy surrounding much of Lydon’s musical career, he was fiercely committed to his wife. “Well, good luck to people that are flippant about their relationships and their responsibility towards their fellow human beings, but people like me and Nora, we spend the time and take the effort to understand each other,” he told Yahoo News several years ago. “And then it becomes a life’s work in progress. And for my way of living, that’s how I want it to be. I don’t take commitments lightly. I don’t treat fellow human beings as tools of my trade. So, there you go — I’m a loyalist at heart.”

In the years since she was diagnosed, the couple danced together, watched comedies, and reminisced about holidays.

Public Image Ltd. will release a new album “End of World” in August. On it, the final track is a song called “Hawaii.” Lydon called it a “love letter” to his wife. “Remember me/ I remember you … You are loved,” he sings. “Don’t fly too soon/ No need to cry in pain/ You are loved.” The song is a memorial to a week the couple had spent in Hawaii after a tour. 

Lydon dedicated it to “everyone going through tough times on the journey of life, with the person they care for the most. It’s also a message of hope that ultimately love conquers all.”

To his credit, Lydon is as blunt as a wrecking ball and has never tried to sugarcoat a situation. Loyalty of the heart. ‘Til death do us part. Love conquers all. “I can’t think of a better woman on God’s earth than Nora,” he once said. Johnny believed it. As she slowly approached the exit gate of life, he proved to be a blessing to her — and a sterling example to the rest of us.  


Steve Beard is a writer and creator of Thunderstruck.org – a website devoted to faith and pop culture.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: johnnyrotten; marriage; sexpistol
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JOHNNY ROTTEN AND WIFE, NORA
1 posted on 04/24/2023 10:16:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Good for them


2 posted on 04/24/2023 10:20:33 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Let’s go Brandon!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s done some good stuff with Public Image Ltd.


3 posted on 04/24/2023 10:22:54 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

I always thought it was very touching, the way Johnny stuck by her side all those years. When he stepped off the stage, he was a one man woman, dedicated care for her and fulfill her every need. “In sickness & in health..for as long as you both shall live!..”That’s what we are all told marriage is supposed to be about anyway, but it is easy to forget in today’s world, where willfull committment has become something rare. That’s how my parents were.


4 posted on 04/24/2023 10:23:07 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: SeekAndFind

The king is gone but he’s not forgotten
This is the story of a Johnny Rotten
It’s better to burn out than it is to rust
The king is gone but he’s not forgotten


5 posted on 04/24/2023 10:24:55 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

Johnny Rotten
Rotten Johnny


6 posted on 04/24/2023 10:30:07 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: circlecity

Very good stuff. Some borderline conservative lyrics too.


7 posted on 04/24/2023 10:33:18 AM PDT by Codeflier (My voting days are over. Let it burn...give the people what they want good and hard.)
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To: SeekAndFind

the two “johnnys” of the 1970s punk - Johnny Rotten and Johnny Ramone were both conservatives, although Rotten (Lydon) seems to have (publicly at least) came to it later in life.

He supported Brexit and Nigel Farage. Said he knew Trump, he would probably be friends with him. Has talked about the importance of kids having a stable family life.

One quote I remember (paraphrase): “It was because of f*****g tw**s like me that people got fed up and voted for Reagan.”


8 posted on 04/24/2023 10:34:19 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind
She was quite beautiful and (punk) stylish, even in advanced age. Bone structure, long neck, merry spirit. Condolences to John Lydon.


9 posted on 04/24/2023 10:35:13 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (“There is no good government at all & none possible.”--Mark Twain)
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To: 1Old Pro

That was a big slap at Elvis. Coming right on the heels of his death, it was a big statement that he was creatively dead long before the heart stopped. He wasn’t the king anymore and the implosion of the Pistols was much more rock and roll.


10 posted on 04/24/2023 10:36:56 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: 1Old Pro

Don’t bring that jackass Neil Young into this feel-good story.


11 posted on 04/24/2023 10:40:05 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Albion Wilde

A fantastic smile you probably would never tire of seeing her doing.


12 posted on 04/24/2023 10:43:23 AM PDT by Codeflier (My voting days are over. Let it burn...give the people what they want good and hard.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Nice story. Johnny Rotten (actually Lydon) seems like a decent guy.

Most people don't realize that the Sex Pistols were just an act. They were created for the purpose of shocking people, causing controversy and otherwise attracting attention to themselves in order to sell records. While they are credited with pioneering the punk movement, it was other bands like The Ramones and The Damned that got all that started.

Therefore they were a short-lived band. They flamed out pretty quickly and even in America, they had a hard time finding concert venues that would have them, as they were just so over-the-top outrageous.

One member of the band, Sid Vicious (John Ritchie), did get carried away and had a rather ugly end but that's not for this thread.

Public Image LTD, Johnny's later band, put out a lot of good records.

13 posted on 04/24/2023 10:47:05 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (5,016,040 Truth | 87,429,920 Twitter)
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To: Albion Wilde

She was 13 years older than Johnny!

There seems to be something about younger men marrying older women that makes their marriage last.

Consider President Macron of France (whose wife is old enough to be his mother ) and Actor Hugh Jackman (whose wife is 13 years older as well ). They’re both, like Johnny Rotten, still married.


14 posted on 04/24/2023 10:50:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Quite a contrast to Sid Vicious who flamed out with Nancy and heroin.


15 posted on 04/24/2023 11:06:21 AM PDT by xp38
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I think the death of Sid, and his guilt over it, went a long way toward changing John’s worldview.


16 posted on 04/24/2023 11:08:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
He’s done some good stuff with Public Image Ltd.

That’s a very English understatement.

17 posted on 04/24/2023 11:25:45 AM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater in 2024)
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To: SeekAndFind

Picture on the right is an actor in a recent stupid TV movie.


18 posted on 04/24/2023 11:50:39 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: SeekAndFind

19 posted on 04/24/2023 11:57:19 AM PDT by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: SeekAndFind

equally yolked...


20 posted on 04/24/2023 1:34:58 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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