Posted on 02/14/2023 3:31:20 AM PST by RoosterRedux
Over the Super Bowl weekend, the U.S. shot down at least three UFOs, or as they’re now called, UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena).
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But the good news is that pilots felt comfortable saying something—which has not always been the case.
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Imagine being one of those military pilots, knowing you’d seen a mysterious object that was potentially dangerous, incredibly technologically advanced, and very much worth investigating. Imagine never having seen any aircraft, military or otherwise, maneuver with such speed or dexterity. Imagine not being able to talk about it for 13 years, knowing you’d be ridiculed and perhaps fired if you did.
The U.S. government deliberately cultivated stigma related to UFO sightings during the Cold War. An uptick in reports in 1947 spurred the creation of the first official UFO investigation, Project Sign. A few months later, after it became clear that the Air Force couldn’t handle the number of reports coming in, it hired a scientist, J. Allen Hynek, to evaluate the information. Hynek couldn’t explain roughly 20 percent of the cases he looked at, but the Air Force didn’t want to probe further.
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The government created a monster with its handling of the UFO issue. The bias and shame surrounding 50 years’ worth of UFO sightings in the U.S. reinforce the need for the public to think critically, rather than succumbing to what Kean called the “pure irrationality” of the stigma. It also underscores how misinformation or disinformation starts at the top and filters down through the public, until it takes on a life of its own.
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Do you think the government did this with the intention of hiding something other than its own military secrets?
More distraction and deflection - instead of talking about Chinese spy balloons and our apparent inability to defend against these low cost vehicles with anything less than jets and missiles costing hundreds of millions.
Oh, no - we have to take the ‘UAP’ discussion into the extraterrestrial camp to muddy the waters.
I think, in this situation, the term ‘retarded’ is apt and appropriate.
IMO, whatever happened on Earth to create life has to have been replicated millions of times around our universe, to me it’s impossible to not beleive in alien life somewhere, has it discovered Earth and decided to visit here I have no idea.
You can believe this, but without evidence this is really a matter of faith more than anything else.
“What I did find (as someone who has followed this issue for a while) was an article that described the “stigma” problem clearly.”
Not critiquing your post, merely slate. They don’t post anything unless it fits a narrative.
And their piece fits perfectly with what we’re seeing. Now we’re to believe that they ‘want’ pilots to come forward and the ‘regular’ news will report freely on ‘UAPs’ (vs the prior ‘hot sheets’, i.e., Nat’l Enquirer, etc.)?
Not buying it. We’re being set up for something.
It is a matter of faith, whether you believe or not is up to the individual person.
I believe in intelligent in abundance spread out all over the universe, probably more than we can possibly imagine and I don’t think that invalidates any of my Christian beliefs, in my mind it enhances them.
Certainly, my beliefs can’t be proven and will never likely be proven in my lifetime, that’s okay, others may disagree that’s fine, I don’t really care.
Rooster:
Exoacademian keeps making hints that could explain that we do not really understand where the ridicule comes from.
His latest podcast:
https://podbay.fm/p/liminal-phrames/e/1676163629
I will spell it out—and understand that nobody believes a word of it—yet.
It appears that the aliens made contact with government officials (Truman, Eisenhower etal) who thought they were “making a deal” on “equal” terms.
However, the aliens had the ability to affect human minds—to influence them (not true “control”, just influence) in certain ways—including helping them to create a policy of ridicule.
I know I am way ahead of what people are comfortable believing—I totally get that—it is what it is.
But for some wartime situations, the answer your question is "Yes." When this stigma was used in wartime conflicts where no secret military craft were exposed, the government must have had a different intention. Case in point, it was done to pilots flying over North Korea during that conflict. Pilots over Vietnam faced the same stigma. Both have been reported on this forum by sons of those pilots. Same for WWII.
Until the 2017 NY Times was published on this subject, the stigma was still in full enforcement.
Even air traffic control operators were told to not report anything relayed to them by commercial pilots. That big "UFO" flap at O'Hare in 2010 (the famous Gate C-17 sighting) was shut down by the chain of command. Even baggage handlers were told to STFU by United Air and their own union. That obviously wasn't related to any secret government technologies (unless the government is experimenting over public airports).
And the desire to insert an emotional retort ("retarded") seems inappropriate. Raises the question as to why someone is emotionally invested in the term "extraterrestrial." Is it fear?
Of course, you may be correct. It is also quite possible that this is all just the natural news flow.
It is usually a mistake to assume our government or any group is smart enough to "set us up." They aren't that competent.
Thx for that link. I’m listening to the podcast right now.;-)
A person without a bias (i.e., a clear and open mind) would see that there simply isn't enough evidence to draw any conclusions...yet.
That’s been my point, it’s my belief that alien life exists in abundance, have they been to Earth, I have no idea and probably won’t find out in my lifetime.
It’s a belief that can’t be proven and doesn’t affect my Christian beliefs and people can agree or disagree that’s fine and I don’t really care.
Hillenkoetter was a remarkable man. Did he tell you any other gems of wisdom? He was quite prominent in the early days of the UFO phenomenon.
My take on this stuff, exactly.
That is a silly notion, with no evidence anywhere to back it up. God's imagination is a great deal larger than yours.
As you probably know, Jesse Jr was a Freeper before he passed on. Wonderful, unassuming guy.
The problem is that the term "yet" represents an open-ended commitment that can only end when incontrovertible evidence of intelligent life outside the earth is found. The universe is so vast that there's no way every corner of it can possibly be searched ... so "yet" goes in (forever, in theory) unless and until something is found.
On the other hand, there's a perfectly reasonable bias that has nothing to do with faith and everything to do with scientific/mathematical realities. The longer I look for something without finding it, the less likely it would seem that it exists at all. That's not a matter of faith. It's a matter of empirical evidence.
1 - They did not want citizens to know we had incursions into our airspace that our forces were unable to repel.
2 - The UFO crash/retrieval studies provided knowledge they wanted to keep out of enemy hands.
3 - They had strong evidence that the existence of ET would be super unsettling to some people, particularly the religious ones.
Your post is exactly what I have been talking about:
.Gov reacted emotionally and then created a rationale to justify their actions.
Humans do not act for “reasons”—they “reason” to justify actions they have already taken.
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