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I Served on U.S. Army Abrams Tanks—Giving Them to Ukraine Is Risky
Newsweek via MSN ^ | 2/08/2023 | Glenn Girona

Posted on 02/10/2023 6:47:43 AM PST by logi_cal869

It was in the summer of 1995 when I, an 18 year old recruit, first drove an M1 Abrams tank. Is to continue to support Ukraine with what it needs on the Current Time 0:30 / Duration 1:10 Newsweek U.S. Dismisses Russia's Reaction to Abrams Tanks: 'Heard That Line Before' 0 View on Watch More videos More tanks for Ukraine: Germany, Denmark and The Netherlands make new pledge Euronews/Euronews More tanks for Ukraine: Germany, Denmark and The Netherlands make new pledge 1:02 Ukrainian troops plead for more tanks and munitions in battle for Bakhmut France 24/France 24 Ukrainian troops plead for more tanks and munitions in battle for Bakhmut 2:18 August in Fort Knox, Kentucky, was oppressive to say the least, but I don't recall any of that. I was excited and nervous. I didn't even have a car driver's license yet but here I was about to drive a 60 ton tank around a carefully planned course. I remember that the tank didn't feel at all cumbersome or slow. It jumped at the twist of your wrist, and turned nimbly at the slightest input of the t-bar steering column. The driver's seat is amazingly comfortable. The other seats, not so much, I would find out later. But the view when unbuttoned, which means the tank hatch is open, is very good. What it takes to be a tank gunner I would go on to serve nearly 10 more years on tanks during my time in the U.S. Army, serving in every position; loader, driver, gunner, and briefly, commander.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: americalast; bidensrinolemmings; blueandyellowpompoms; glenngirona; m1abrams; noautoloader; notourwar; propaganda; tanks; ukraine; ukrainefirst; zelviswrestleshitler
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Good read, great points.
1 posted on 02/10/2023 6:47:43 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869
...but the author is an idiot:

Yet I hope for success for my Ukrainian brothers and sisters in arms, should their performance prove to once again, exceed expectations.

2 posted on 02/10/2023 6:49:45 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

You are sending FR’s hits to MSN first, and then we go to Newsweek for the full article and photos?


3 posted on 02/10/2023 6:59:35 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: logi_cal869

I didn’t read the article!!! We are just handing our military secrets to the world. Evil and good nations are for sale so will sell it to evil for a price so they can take it apart and copy and/or better the weapon against us. Just MORE evidence our government is trying to kill us off and we keep giving them more and more power over us cause we want to sit at home and watch TV and grammy’s, etc.


4 posted on 02/10/2023 7:01:52 AM PST by YouGoTexasGirl ( )
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To: logi_cal869

You could replace M1 Tank with F-16 or F-15 fighter jets and other high-tech equipment given to Ukraine. In the hands of a properly trained competent force, the weapons could very well be game changers, in the hands of poorly trained but motivated force, the equipment will probably become very expensive hulks of burning metal with loads of propaganda potential.


5 posted on 02/10/2023 7:03:20 AM PST by srmanuel
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To: logi_cal869
To see how an undertrained crew can affect performance in a strong tank, I believe we should look at how a number of Iraqi manned M1A1 tanks were decimated or captured by ISIS with their relatively inferior armory, how dozens of Saudi M1 tanks were damaged or destroyed in Yemen against the same adversary, or even how Turkish crews faired in Leopard 2s, widely considered to be superior to the Abrams, in Turkey, also against the Islamic State.

The M1s given to both Iraq and Saudi Arabia were equipped with conventional armor, not the highly classified composite armor of U.S. Abrams tanks.

M1 Abrams Tanks In U.S. Inventory Have Armor Too Secret To Send To Ukraine

6 posted on 02/10/2023 7:05:14 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: logi_cal869

Good read???
The first two non existent paragraphs are unreadable.


7 posted on 02/10/2023 7:06:21 AM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: logi_cal869
There are multiple versions of the M1 Abrams. If we even end up providing M1's, I doubt that they will be one the current top versions.

Extensive training is required for a modern M1 Abrams crew. It's not just point and shoot.

8 posted on 02/10/2023 7:14:10 AM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: joe fonebone
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9 posted on 02/10/2023 7:18:51 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: ansel12

Crikey.

It’s a propaganda piece.

If there was such a topic, I’d have chosen it.


10 posted on 02/10/2023 7:19:45 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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"I fear what will happen if a 21st Century version of the notorious and deadly 1991 Gulf War armored combat between Iraq and the U.S., the Battle of 73 Easting, were to occur."

Can someone explain that statement to me? Just read the wiki account of the Battle of 73 Easting, but the author's statement above doesn't make sense.

11 posted on 02/10/2023 7:19:55 AM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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The author is an idiot uke supporter.

I thought the piece would speak for itself.


12 posted on 02/10/2023 7:20:41 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: ansel12

There is ENTIRELY too much quoting of MSM websites here on FR nowadays, creating clicks and ad revenue for the enemy.

It’s bizarre.


13 posted on 02/10/2023 7:35:43 AM PST by Owen
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To: logi_cal869

I don’t know what that post meant, what do you mean by “such a topic”?

As far as the article, I googled the article and went to Newsweek and read it, it was a good opinion piece to read from an experienced tanker.


14 posted on 02/10/2023 7:44:45 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Owen

They do it with other sites too, sometimes it can take up to four links to get to the actual article or video, or photo.


15 posted on 02/10/2023 7:46:36 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: logi_cal869

31 M1 tanks to Ukraine is just throwing them a lifesaver instead of giving them a battleship.

It’s good money thrown after bad.


16 posted on 02/10/2023 8:00:52 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: joe fonebone
"The first two non existent paragraphs are unreadable"

Thought that too.

17 posted on 02/10/2023 8:00:58 AM PST by Churchillspirit (Pray for President Trump)
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To: logi_cal869

IIRC there are ~4,000 or so just laying around Sierra Army Depot. Were any of those sent or just the upgraded few?


18 posted on 02/10/2023 8:05:03 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: logi_cal869

Tanks are as obsolete today as battleships were in 1942. Just like during WW II, air superiority will dominate like never before.


19 posted on 02/10/2023 8:11:16 AM PST by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: Newbomb Turk

Extensive training...

I disagree. I was lucky to experience 4 hours in an M1 simulator with my son, daughter and brother in law. After about 15 minutes of training at each position you could operate it. It was very much point and shoot. It’s very used friendly. I say a good week of training and you have a compatent crew. They need a good tank commander who knows tank tactics and they need a strong will to fight cause getting shot at isn’t fun.


20 posted on 02/10/2023 8:11:37 AM PST by Pocketdoor
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