Posted on 01/28/2023 4:09:50 AM PST by blueplum
hina's explosive COVID-19 outbreak appears to be outpacing private-sector predictions and high estimates from its own specialists, with one official placing the country's infection count at nearly double the current number of total cases worldwide.
In a social media post on the eve of the Lunar New Year on Saturday, Wu Zunyou, chief epidemiologist at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said the first nationwide wave had swept through roughly 80 percent of China's 1.41 billion people since early December.
Wu's estimate of 1.13 billion infections in just six weeks far exceeds the global case count of 669 million as of Wednesday, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University....
Airfinity, a British health analytics firm, said China was likely experiencing 4.55 million daily COVID infections and 35,780 daily deaths to the virus at the peak of the first wave....The company estimated that China had seen 919,000 cumulative COVID deaths since December 1, a figure that could eventually reach 1.7 million by the end of the current wave....
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The problem with germ warfare is the germs won’t stay in the enemy camp...
About 2 weeks ago, the BBC sent reporters into China to try to look past the official numbers and make some estimates. They found hospitals were packed with people in hallways and they found the crematoriums were working full time.
Their estimate at the time was 15,000 deaths per day. Probably more important, they were laying out specifics about how China does counting that I had not heard before.
The WHO guidelines on declaration of a COVID death are and have been for 2 or 3 years that the death must be caused by or substantially contributed to by the virus. The entire world generally follows this with the exception of China.
In China, a covid death requires respiratory failure. It has always been difficult for this to take place in the presence of ventilators. So their numbers get quoted low.
Compounding this problem is the nature of the newest variant. It kills by reaching heart tissue, and kidneys. This particular evidence did not come from China. Japan in recent weeks has been experiencing the largest number of deaths per day it has seen since the virus arrived in the world. Almost nobody in Japan hospitals are on ventilators. They have not needed them, because they were dying by this new mechanism.
So the Chinese count will officially fail to capture the correct numbers. The BBC had its estimate a few weeks ago that I quoted above and now this new British firm is making their estimate.
It’s useful to point out that these populations were just as vaxed three months ago as they are now. They’re dying because the virus has mutated and that mutation penetrates all forms of immunity and kills people. If the vax were killing them it would have been killing them three months ago in the same way as now. So that ain’t it.
And also useful to point out that fear is not involved. The virus doesn’t care about who is afraid. It has defeated vax.
One last item. US excess deaths over the past three to six weeks in the relevant age groups of 74-85, and 85+, exceed their curve of last year at the exact same time. Last year at this time we were still seeing enormous covid death counts from the residual Delta surge and the beginning of Omicron. We are not seeing those counts right now, but excess deaths say they are happening in the only age groups that matter. It is likely that the new death mechanism of this variant is causing attribution of death to be things other than covid. This is credible in that for 2 years doctors are used to seeing plummeting blood oxygen levels as the patient descends to death and now with this new variant and it’s new mechanism they don’t see that and they don’t count it as covid, even with a positive test.
“If the vax were killing them it would have been killing them three months ago in the same way as now. So that ain’t it.”
You need to reread your own post—very carefully.
The issue is not whether the vax in isolation is killing people—it is whether the vax in combination with the new strains is killing people.
Your post is classic “goal seeking” “science”.
You know the result you want and then ignore any data or analysis that might conflict with it.
NO!
Would be nice for those who are forced by their co pay to get vaccinated ated could sign an agreement that “if the vsccines cause any health issuess” the person can sue the company for forcing them to take something that is an unknown and isn’t tested well.
I’ll bet the forced vaccines would drop dramatically if the emp,oyees could sue if anything went wrong, like In your case.
They use a different vaccine than the west. Obviously, it’s less effective. Let’s see what happens in the next year.
There is a lot of travel during the LNY. In addition, there are more group gatherings. Any virus would flourish in that environment.
I know in terms of financial markets, you never believe Chinese statistics.
One needs to look at things like shipments coming out of China, container use, and things like cell phone usage to gauge their “health.”
They lie about everything. But some numbers don’t lie. We just need to look at measurable outputs.
I’m not sure how to judge China’s fatality rate. The US fatality rate has turned out to be 1 in 330. (1mil/330mil). IF China’s fatality rate was the same 1 in 330, that would be 3.03million dead by the time they can claim ‘it’s over’. They’re six weeks into their first wave with a million dead already so they may reach that 3 million by March even if they have a less infective version of covid. On the other hand, because of vaccine hesitancy, the US has a higher mortality rate than other first-world countries who have one quarter to half as many dead as the US. So the Chinese total may be less than 1 in 330
Looking at the 0.1%, that’s only calculated on a six week total. There was a tweet early on and widely circulated that claimed ‘survival’ of “...99.997% for people ages 0 to 19, 99.98% for people ages 20 to 49, 99.5% for people ages 50 to 69, and 94.6% for people over 70.”. I don’t know if that ever turned out to be true percentages, but if we say it did/does, then a Chinese fatality rate of 0.1% would group them as the same fatality risk as people age 0 to 19??? So again, I don’t think the 0.1% calculation will hold as China moves into wave 2 and wave 3. (wave 2 being workers going home to rural areas and infecting/being infected and wave 3 being workers returning to the megacities bringing the infection back with them)
When this mess began I remember worldometers showing China with around 6k deaths. 6k. No way that was right.
China’s two-course inoculation rate is above 90 percent, but analysis suggests a combination of waning immunity and Chinese vaccines that are only effective at three to four shots could be contributing to higher numbers of infections and fatalities.
Which analysis are you referring to? And why do you believe that a vaccine’s “effectiveness” has anything to do with its rate of injuries and death? It seems likely that their “vaccines” have even less safety protocols applied than those available to people in the US.
Sorry forgot to italicize your words.
You can’t even trust the basic numbers when you know that deaths WITH Covid were counted as deaths FROM Covid.
Then there’s the issue of whether Covid actually killed them or the medical negligence; not treating people until they were so critical they needed ICU care, at which point, they could easily have been septic and beyond saving anyways, venting them and blowing out their lungs, poisoning them with Remdesivir, and not giving them appropriate antibiotic and steroid treatment for the later stages of the illness.
There was also way too much financial incentive to label patients as Covid positive in the first place that would skew the stats to even begin to trust them.
We have been lied to start to finish in this whole debacle.
Trust the stats? Not a snowballs chance in hell.
Kinda ironic isn't it....China understated and we overstated all for political reasons.
The Chinese have had an ongoing "vax campaign." It didn't stop 2 years ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/63798484
Their vaccination safety protocol is likely much less stringent than our own, and they are also reformulating constantly. If their current formulation began killing large numbers of people why do you think that we would hear anything about it?
Please check your math. If 1 in 330 was rate in the US and it is directly applied to 1.4 Billion in China, their death numbers would be at or above 4.24 Million not 3.03 Million as stated.
The estimate presented is roughly 40% low. Also, the Chinese infected numbers are a WAG at best because there is no way China has/had 1.4 Billion test kits available. False positive rate for Chinese kits near 40%, so they would need roughly 1.9 Billion kits to get a semi-real number.
Again, I have zero faith in numbers out of China. As for numbers coming from British tabloid, what are the chances they would print whatever they were PAID to print. I would guess that the chances are very very high.
Central Planning by the CCP will solve the problem. The Communists always have a solution. Just be patient. It is in their 5 year plan.
* forcing them to take something that is an unknown and isn’t tested well.*
I don’t think the arguments ‘unknown’ and ‘not tested well’ holds up anymore.
11.45 billion doses have been administered globally already, and 11.79 million are now administered each day. That’s about 70% of the world’s population so a lot of “knowns’ and “testing” over last 2 years. Most nations report the usual mild side effects that last a few days regardless of which brand vaccine is being used - nowhere near the suspicion or complaint levels of the US.
Here’s a link that talks about some of the 33 different vaccines used around the world.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/global-covid-19-vaccine-summary-side-effects#Should-I-receive-a-COVID-19-vaccine?
and here’s a link that lets you know that over 20 nations drawn from every continent have centered research on any reported rare side effects of the different vaccines, not just US vaccines, in a project called “Global Vaccine Data Network (GVDN)”:
https://www.science.org/content/article/pandemic-propels-global-effort-study-rare-vaccine-side-effects
for the math, I divided 1 billion by 330 giving a result of 3.03 million. I should have used 1.4 billion, sorry :)
What we don’t know is the long term side effects of the vaxxes.
That takes many years.
I plan on waiting for those results before I get near a needle.
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