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Most people who ended up with long COVID started with a mild case, new study shows
CBS ^ | 07 Jan 2023 | SARAH WULF HANSON, THEO VOS

Posted on 01/08/2023 3:29:30 AM PST by blueplum

Even mild COVID-19 cases can have major and long-lasting effects on people's health. That is one of the key findings from our recent multicountry study on long COVID-19 – or long COVID – recently published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

We found that a staggering 90% of people living with long COVID initially experienced only mild illness with COVID-19. ...women have twice the risk of men and four times the risk of children...

We analyzed data from 54 studies reporting on over 1 million people from 22 countries who had experienced symptoms of COVID-19....

...Among all people with long COVID, our study found that nearly one out of every seven were still experiencing these symptoms a year later...

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: branchcovidians; coronavirus; covid; longcovid; thejabkills
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To: blueplum

Sometimes it is heart damage that is ignored in favor of a virtue signal


21 posted on 01/08/2023 5:09:46 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

>> 0.0844 percent mortality rate

And even that low number is overstated due to the sloppiness in attributing mortality to COVID (i.e. confusing “dying with COVID” and “dying from COVID”).

>> relatively little is known about long COVID.

No worries, for now “trust the (modeled) science”, and as we learn more we’ll incorporate the new information into our model, and diddle the coefficients to better fit what has already been observed while still maintaining the future projections we need to serve our agenda. Of course, in three years when our projections fail to match reality, we’ll need to lather, rinse, repeat...

The globalists have been doing this with climatism models for decades, they know the drill and can readily apply what they’ve learned about “modeling” and “projecting” to the covidism agenda as well.


22 posted on 01/08/2023 5:14:59 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: GranTorino

>> The human version of ivermectin is pretty easy to get now.

That’s a good point. I’ve been lazy about trying... the horse paste is on the shelf right down the road. Plus, the pills lack the mocking humor potential of the horse paste. :-)


23 posted on 01/08/2023 5:17:40 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: blueplum

Funny thing: the unvaccinated don’t get long COVID.


24 posted on 01/08/2023 5:21:30 AM PST by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: iontheball

If you are flu free this winter, you don’t live near your grandkids. Just sayin’.

Stay healthy.


25 posted on 01/08/2023 5:23:41 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Remember August 8!)
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To: AppyPappy

I have some joint twinges..probably arthritis...but recent ecg and 2 lots of heart scans showed perfect heart condition.


26 posted on 01/08/2023 5:23:50 AM PST by SpokeshaveReturns (Proud Boys, Angry Dads and Grumpy Grandads.)
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To: Nervous Tick

I used Zicam, Zinc Sulfate and Vitamin D3. Covid was a Cold for me. I didn’t even need to go to Tractor Supply.


27 posted on 01/08/2023 5:24:15 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: SpokeshaveReturns

Heart damage from Covid is worse in people in their 20’s


28 posted on 01/08/2023 5:25:09 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: blueplum; Travis McGee
--- "If you go to IHME, world-wide pre-vaccine, 'Summary Myocarditis was responsible for 977 000 DALYs (95% UI 804 00–1 130 000) in 2019. In 2019, there were 728 000 incident cases (585 000–879 000) of myocarditis in males and 538 000 incident cases (436 000–651 000) in females'."

https://www.healthdata.org/results/gbd_summaries/2019/myocarditis-level-4-cause"

One notes in the referenced IHME web page, the data goes through 2019, pre-Covid. IHME, which has "paused" its data gathering and reporting on Covid as of December 2022, has managed to keep the "myocarditis" page up-to-date only through 2019, so over three years it's not anywhere near up to date.

For your second source, one reads: "...Incidence is usually estimated...."

As for the citations mentioning VAERS, if one accepts all the "fact-checkers" saying that "vaccines injury and death" are false, then the VAERS system doesn't support your claims either.

Moreover, both McCullough AND the CDC claims are "claims," given that the data is partial, contested and often difficult to parse. To default to the position that the CDC remains an honest broker in data collection and reporting is to align with "safe and effective," still for still-experimental mRNA injections 1) without trial results completed, and 2) covered by repeated "emergency use authorization" declarations from the Biden administration currently.

I was amused by your turn of phrase, "Did that little dickens pop up again?" Rather folksy, and echoing the now-famous "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it."

29 posted on 01/08/2023 5:30:22 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: pepsionice
"Oddly, most of the news pieces end with the doctors agreeing that there isn’t much joint research being done, and funds for research at present are marginal."

Because then when we would be studying the aftermath of the first designer global bioweapon, released by the Chinese government/PLA, and we can't have that can we? Particularly when they already have some of the answers, since they tested it continuously during their gain-of-function.

30 posted on 01/08/2023 5:36:51 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: blueplum

This long Covid sounds a lot like that mysterious debilitating disease, the name of which I don’t recall, that no one could medically prove, which consisted mainly of some kind of chronic lassitude.


31 posted on 01/08/2023 5:45:04 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: blueplum
Most people who ended up with long COVID started with a mild case, new study shows ...

... and many of them also started with the "vaccine" and neverending "boosters" that compromised -- if not damaged -- their immunue system's effectiveness in fighting infection.

32 posted on 01/08/2023 5:52:03 AM PST by glennaro (Never give up ... never give in ... never surrender ... and enjoy every minute of doing so.)
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To: Revolutionary
"Funny thing: the unvaccinated don’t get long COVID."

Had you bothered to read the source material of the study that is the very subject of this thread, you would know that this study cohort was divided into two populations who suffered Long COVID: 2020 and 2021.

At the end of 2020, only 8M doses globally had been administered. Thus it is highly unlikely that anyone in the 2020 cohort was vaccinated.

Estimated Global Proportions of Individuals With Persistent Fatigue, Cognitive, and Respiratory Symptom Clusters Following Symptomatic COVID-19 in 2020 and 2021

33 posted on 01/08/2023 5:57:17 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: mewzilla

I haven’t run across a fixed number but the short answer seems to be that the unvaccinated get it more often and hit harder than the vaccinated. Here’s some info to guess at:
An Italian study estimated 15% of youth 6-15 had long covid and the same was true for the UK
https://news.yahoo.com/long-covid-risk-unvaccinated-know-214117941.html

From Penn State:
More than half of the 236 million people who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 worldwide since December 2019 will experience post-COVID symptoms — more commonly known as ‘long COVID’
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211013114112.htm

here’s a summary out of the UK of multiple studies. Most say that vaccinated have less of a chance (up to 50%) for long covid and if they do get breakthrough infections they have a lower rate of long covid and a shorter duration:

“”Conclusion
There is evidence that vaccinated people who are subsequently infected with COVID-19 are less likely to report symptoms of long COVID than unvaccinated people, in the short term (4 weeks after infection), medium term (12 to 20 weeks after infection) and long term (6 months after infection). This is in addition to any benefit of vaccination in preventing COVID-19 infection (5).... Additionally, there was evidence that unvaccinated people with long COVID who were subsequently vaccinated reported fewer long COVID symptoms than those who remained unvaccinated.
https://ukhsa.koha-ptfs.co.uk/cgi-bin/koha/opac-retrieve-file.pl?id=fe4f10cd3cd509fe045ad4f72ae0dfff


34 posted on 01/08/2023 5:59:03 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: Nervous Tick

” number of RECENT peer-reviewed studies in respected medical journals have established beyond a doubt the in treating COVID.*

respectfully, hogwash - after three years and many studies, they all repeat the same conclusion as seen in these studies from 2022. Prayer probably works a lot better

“Conclusions and relevance: In this randomized clinical trial of high-risk patients with mild to moderate COVID-19, ivermectin treatment during early illness did not prevent progression to severe disease. The study findings do not support the use of ivermectin for patients with COVID-19.
Trial registration: ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT04920942.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35179551/

For outpatients, there is currently low‐ to high‐certainty evidence that ivermectin has no beneficial effect for people with COVID‐19. Based on the very low‐certainty evidence for inpatients, we are still uncertain whether ivermectin prevents death or clinical worsening or increases serious adverse events, while there is low‐certainty evidence that it has no beneficial effect regarding clinical improvement, viral clearance and adverse events. No evidence is available on ivermectin to prevent SARS‐CoV‐2 infection.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3/full

Treatment with ivermectin did not result in a lower incidence of medical admission to a hospital due to progression of Covid-19 or of prolonged emergency department observation among outpatients with an early diagnosis of Covid-19. (Funded by FastGrants and the Rainwater Charitable Foundation; TOGETHER ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04727424. opens in new tab.)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869


35 posted on 01/08/2023 6:16:22 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: blueplum

What is the Vax status of those with long Cold-19?


36 posted on 01/08/2023 6:25:22 AM PST by bray (My book, The Republic of Texas explains everything )
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To: Revolutionary

My personal first hand experience says that’s not true. I’m not vaxxed and I definitely have long COVID. Been battling it on and off since 2020. When I get re-exposed to COVID the symptoms get worse. Chest pain and brain fog/cognitive impairment. And I use ziverdo kits with IVM in them every time.


37 posted on 01/08/2023 6:33:26 AM PST by Rural_Michigan
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

ah yes, the old 99.91% survivable.

Tell that to the 1.1 million US dead, mostly grannies but a lot of moms and dads, too. (Thats 1 in 300 dead for the math impaired)

Out of 100 million US cases, (that’s 1 in 3 of us) we can guess/model/forecast (based on disability claims) about 10=15% are suffering from long covid who I bet can well debate the definition of ‘survivable’ as it relates to the quality of life. For someone who can’t work, or remember things, or walk without getting breathless, and whose income is reduced to disability payments, ‘survivable’ seems a rather dismissive cop-out, don’t you think?


38 posted on 01/08/2023 6:35:24 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: blueplum
--- "ah yes, the old 99.91% survivable. Tell that to the 1.1 million US dead, mostly grannies but a lot of moms and dads, too."

Ah yes, the old "tell it to" which is like unto the "you're gonna kill grandma" game.

I will quite clearly tell anyone who wants to have documentation that -- sit down for this -- people die. Every year. From the CDC itself for this last year:

"Data are for the U.S. - Number of deaths: 3,383,729 -- and --- Death rate: 1,027.0 deaths per 100,000 population.

Source for those who need it: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Moreover, given the announced "Life expectancy: 77.0 years," lots of "mostly grannies," as you argue, die. And of course, "grannies" are also mothers, so mothers die. And so on.

You write, "For someone who can’t work, or remember things, or walk without getting breathless, and whose income is reduced to disability payments, ‘survivable’ seems a rather dismissive cop-out, don’t you think?"

Got any stats to reference on your list of those who can't work because of long Covid? But you fail -- cop-out might be another way to describe it -- those who are on disability from ADEs from the mRNA still-experimental and still-EUA-authorized injections.

Here's a source for some of those: https://www.realnotrare.com/

Would you be "rather dismissive" of these?

39 posted on 01/08/2023 6:56:05 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-happens-if-you-cant-work-due-to-long-covid/
https://www.verywellhealth.com/long-covid-unable-to-return-to-work-after-six-months-5095372
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/long-covid-keeping-4-million-people-out-of-work-rcna44807
Long covid is destroying careers, leaving economic distress in its wake Suffering from debilitating exhaustion and pain for months, patients find themselves on food stamps and Medicaid
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/12/09/long-covid-work-unemployed/
https://time.com/6160010/long-covid-patients-back-to-work/

want more? I find it hard to believe that predominately women would trade their salaries and perks for food stamps and eviction notices

Or are you being dismissive because it does affect predominately women?


40 posted on 01/08/2023 7:04:34 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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