Posted on 01/07/2023 4:54:13 PM PST by conservative98
Balanced budget amendment would force the issue.
You and I are in 100% agreement. But there's a difference between the point of what's in the Constitution, and there not being an interpretation of the Constitution that the Dims will use to put in Big Government type amendments.
Oh, you betcha, proposing an amendment just magically slips it into our dear old Constitution, like something out of a Harry Potter movie! No approval by 3/4 of the States required - just wave your wand, "presto chango", and there it is! As you mentioned, that's why we still have slavery, because the Corwin Amendment passed 'by magic', right? Only got ratified by five States, not the 3/4 required, but it magically 'BECAME' the Constitution! \sarc
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That is one appearance in 8 years.
To have an orderly honest convention one must have honest elections of those going to convention. Risk is too great and is known elections in US are not honest. The media and leftists would have a great time writing all the amendments and voting. Conservatives need not appt. Too risky
Better: Dismantle the 80%+ unconstitutional portion of the federal government.
Debt and taxes would immediately become a non-issue and the American economy would experience wealth like never before.
Oh yeah, I remember that Mr. Reagan wanted to do some of that! How did that work out? Seems like electing politicians and sending them to 'The Swamp' has a pretty low batting average when it comes to 'dismantling the federal government'! Maybe we need an amendment or two to do that...
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Nobody said it would be easy. You think 100+ years of building unconstitutional government is easily reversed and dismantled?
Nevertheless, THAT is the only way we recover our Free Constitutional Republic.
We’re in a fight not unlike our Founders in 1776. As then, so now, our enemy is stronger than we are, but as our Founders, so we must rely on the Divine Providence of God Almighty to see us through to victory. God miraculously birthed this blessed nation and God will miraculously restore her.
Either way, tyranny (unconstitutional government laws and acts) is NOT an option.
Meanwhile, there is no need to change the Constitution (USC) since the USC is not the problem.
The problem is the corrupt politicians working under the USC and the uneducated public who don’t understand the USC.
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Wow, are you ever a pawn of the Left. Hopeless. Probably a POW sitting in your cell agreeing with your Leftist jailers that all hope is lost or better yet, to effectively abandon the only legal bulwark of freedom (the Constitution) against tyranny (unconstitutional government).
Rots a Ruck there Buddy.
Why thank you! The Constitution that you claim to value has contained multiple options for its own amendment, since the day it was adopted! But you'll have none of that - guess those clauses must have been included in Article V by "Leftist jailers", rather than the Founders. Your preferred approach seems to be, "Let's just go with the status quo and throw insults!" That's quite impressive!
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By design, the ONLY thing an Article V Convention of States can do is propose constitutional amendments that must be ratified in the normal way by 38 states.
Apparently you think the only solution is to change the Constitution (USC).
But your "solution" doesn't address the problem and very likely creates more problems in this day and age.
If a particular issue needs to be amended in the USC, that is one thing. But you want to open up a "CoS" whereby those officials who hate and violate the USC can finally do away with it, and those who don't understand the USC (of whom are many because the corrupt education system purposefully wanted the populace to not understand the USC) have a good chance of unwittingly destroying it. That is no solution to those who love freedom.
The USC as written and originally understood and intended is not the problem, it is actually the solution.
The problem is the corrupt politicians working under the USC and the uneducated public who don’t understand the USC.
If you are proposing that we do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result, then the phrase in question likely applies to you, whether you consider it an insult or not. If it does not apply to you, I do not know why you would consider it an insult.
And I have never suggested that amending the Constitution is "the only solution"; it is certainly one possible solution. If the 'Red States' made more use of the 10th Amendment, for example, to limit unconstitutional encroachments by the federal government, the United States would benefit. Some left-leaning States have potentially helped promote that approach, with various "sanctuary" declarations.
But your "solution" doesn't address the problem and very likely creates more problems in this day and age.
That's an interesting opinion.
If a particular issue needs to be amended in the USC, that is one thing. But you want to open up a "CoS" whereby those officials who hate and violate the USC can finally do away with it, and those who don't understand the USC (of whom are many because the corrupt education system purposefully wanted the populace to not understand the USC) have a good chance of unwittingly destroying it. That is no solution to those who love freedom.
First, I think it's interesting that you apparently trust Congress to propose amendments, but do not trust any hypothetical Article V convention to offer similar proposals. Second, you seem to believe that an Article V convention might propose amendments that "do away with" the Constitution (via undefined powers nowhere mentioned in Article V, perhaps?), AND that 3/4 of the States would then "unwittingly" approve those same amendments. I do not share those beliefs, although they might form the basis for an entertaining movie script.
The problem is the corrupt politicians working under the USC and the uneducated public who don't understand the USC.
And with that, you closely approach an application of "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result". Do you honestly believe corrupt politicians and an uneducated public are recent developments, or that remedial action in both regards has not been repeatedly attempted? I certainly do not: both have been longstanding issues, with numerous corrective measures attempted. You might want to read Public plunder: A History of Graft in America (I read it 50 years ago, and highly recommend it, particularly the portion on Alexander Hamilton). And the uneducated public is unlikely to be affected by conservative efforts to improve their understanding of the Constitution, to any extent that actually affects national politics. I admit that is a somewhat 'jaundiced' point of view, but it is based on extensive previous experience here on FreeRepublic, with conservatives who don't bother to read the Law of the Land, but definitely know how they 'feel' about it - in other words (and IMHO), conservatives are part of that problem.
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I am doing just the opposite. I am calling the American People to first EMBRACE and UNDERSTAND THEIR Constitution (USC) and then fight to dismantle the 80%+ un-USC portion of the feds which most people are not even aware is un-USC.
That is certainly NOT "doing the same thing over and over again." Your constant call for the futility of the CoS is "doing the same thing over and over again".
Actually, there has never been even a single Article V convention; your suggestions that such a convention would be 'futile' and also amount to "doing the same thing over and over again" have no basis in fact.
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Yeah but you guys have been calling for it for over 20 years to no avail. Your definition of insanity.
If it ever happened, America would probably be gone by then.
Not only is calling for a CoS an exercise in futility but a Cos itself would be and exercise in futility except for those who would like to destroy the USC or don't know the difference.
A CoS does NOT address the problem as though the problem was the USC itself - hardly the truth.
Interesting opinion - have any facts to support it? Or is it just based on your gut feelings?
Not only is calling for a CoS an exercise in futility but a Cos itself would be and exercise in futility except for those who would like to destroy the USC or don't know the difference.
Interesting claims - again, have any facts to support them? Or are they also based on your gut feelings?
A CoS does NOT address the problem as though the problem was the USC itself - hardly the truth.
And another interesting opinion, also apparently unsubstantiated. But congratulations on your strong feelings regarding the Constitution, and I hope your efforts to help "the uneducated public who don’t understand the [US Constitution]" are successful! Maybe you can start, by reading through the entire document and preparing a study guide.
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“However, the CoS is a stupid idea.
Why?
The Constitution doesn’t need to be changed, just ENFORCED.”
The COS is IN the Constitution. Do you think you are smarter than them? Do all the paid plants here screaming every time the COS is mentioned think THEY are smarter than the Founders?
The Founders knew the entire fedgov could be corrupted, and used against the common folks. So they put a safety valve right in the Constitution.
Article V
“The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; “
Same, and only, paragraph for getting ALL amendments.
The authority to amend the Constitution of the United States is derived from Article V of the Constitution.
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