Posted on 01/07/2023 4:54:13 PM PST by conservative98
They will take an afternoon to rule that a con/con. And NOWHERE does it restrict the convention of states to only the topics in the application. Once they are seated, they can do anything they please... including repealing sections of the original.
The 1787 convention originally met to only amend the Articles of Confederation. Instead, they junked the whole thing and wrote a new constitution, so there is precedent.
First, I think it’s interesting that you apparently trust Congress to propose amendments, but do not trust any hypothetical Article V convention to offer similar proposals. Second, you seem to believe that an Article V convention might propose amendments that “do away with” the Constitution (via undefined powers nowhere mentioned in Article V, perhaps?), AND that 3/4 of the States would then “unwittingly” approve those same amendments. I do not share those beliefs, although they might form the basis for an entertaining movie script.
I wouldn’t trust any hypothetical Article V convention. Who will choose the delegates? The state legislatures. Imagine the crazed commies and BLM’ers states like CA, NY, MA, MD, and the rest will send. The red states are mostly RINO Republicans. Those guys don’t have the guts to withstand the commies and the media and will quickly cave on anything the commies want. Sober statesmen like George Washington and the rest will not be participating.
That's funny - IIRC, somebody up this thread posted that they wouldn't trust the delegates, because they would be elected. Bottom line, you guys just wouldn't trust the delegates. OK!
Imagine the crazed commies and BLM’ers states like CA, NY, MA, MD, and the rest will send. The red states are mostly RINO Republicans. Those guys don't have the guts to withstand the commies and the media and will quickly cave on anything the commies want. Sober statesmen like George Washington and the rest will not be participating.
OK! Assuming your "worst case scenario" actually happened - so what? Any amendments actually approved by the convention & proposed to the States would be nothing but scraps of paper, unless they were ratified by 3/4 of the States - just like amendments proposed by Congress. And in reality, I suspect most States would send delegates substantially different than you describe, many of them possibly better than the career politicians we elect to Congress, where amendments traditionally originate.
If you look over these threads, there are streams of panicked posts, many of them essentially predicting, "If we ever allow an Article V convention to occur, the lefties will repeal the Constitution and turn us into a dictatorship before Christmas!" The funniest thing (to me at least) is "the elephant in the room" - if those TEOTWAWKI posts were even close to being true, THE LEFTISTS WOULD BE PUSHING FOR AN ARTICLE V CONVENTION, 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK, 52 WEEKS PER YEAR! But guess what? The only folks I've seen promoting such a convention are constitutionalists.
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Not panicked, realistic. Your delegates are going to be the same types that were in the lame duck Congress that betrayed us last month, crazed commies and RINO squishes. There will be no sober statesmen like George Washington and the rest running the convention. The legislatures WILL send people just like them, again, crazed commie and RINO squishes. You MIGHT get a small handful of conservatives from a few states but not enough to matter.
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It’s always entertaining to meet people who think they know everything, and also think they can predict the future - and refer to that mindset as being “realistic”!
Who said anything about knowing everything? Judging the likely future actions of people based on their past behavior isn’t predicting the future. It’s common sense. You are the one with wishful thinking, as if the same kind of people who got us into this mess are going to suddenly change and become James Madison or George Washington.
“Everyone on FR that is not a fed plant (or China) should join the COS movement.”
I’m in.
Here’s my understanding. Going in, the convention of states is limited to certain topics. It’s not wide open. Those topics will be discussed and perhaps amendments will be proposed. Proposed amendments will be sent back to the states for ratification. At present, at least, states are more conservative than the Federal government. Besides, States should have a bias towards returning power to the states.
I don’t see run-away liberal amendments coming out of this. My only objection is that we may not have the run-away conservative amendments that I would favor. Even if all we get are term limits on Congressmen and Senators and some limitations to Federal powers, I would be happy.
Personally, I would like it if the FBI were clearly outranked by state and local law enforcement. But I don’t expect that to happen or even be discussed.
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