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NHS has never had more cash than it does now and ailing £150billion-a-year service's problems are down to UK's 'ill health as a nation', senior Tory MP says
Daily Mail ^ | 04 Jan 2023 | EMILY CRAIG SENIOR HEALTH REPORTER

Posted on 01/05/2023 2:06:38 AM PST by blueplum

NHS hospitals are in crisis-mode because of 'structural' problems and Britons' poor health, a Tory MP claimed today.

Hospitals are buckling under winter demand, soaring rates of flu and bed-blockers. Covid's resurgence and the emergence of the XBB.1.5 'Kraken' variant are expected to cause even more chaos.

A&E patients have waited up to four days for a bed. Others are treated in cupboards, corridors, meeting rooms and even outside hospitals....

...Nearly 3,800 flu patients were in hospital each day last week, on average — up seven-fold in one month. And around 8,600 Covid patients were taking up beds on December 21, up 84 per cent on last month. Health chiefs warned today that flu and Covid cases are expected to keep rising throughout January....

...The NHS crisis has seen patients face record delays in A&E this winter, with some reporting waits of up to four days for a bed, while others are treated in cupboards, corridors, meeting rooms and even outside hospitals.

Doctors have described 'Dickensian overcrowding' in emergency departments, with some staff being forced to ask seriously ill patients to monitor their own vital signs.....

On top of this, demand for care is so 'phenomenal' and 'through the roof' that the NHS 'can't keep up', Mr Brine said.

He said the Government had to be 'honest' about the problems facing the NHS because they are 'structural' and 'about our ill health as a nation'....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: healthcare; socializedmedicine
putting this up as a comparative article.
The UK has 1/5th the population of the USA. Their current expenditure for universal health is $150 B/yr with a rise to $157 Billion next year. To provide the same, CONGESTED CARE, in the US it would cost us almost a trillion a year ($750-$800 Billion/yr but actually, more, since our medical staff demand higher pay and we have more hospitals and clinics per capita). The custs of private health care in the US is bad, but it still seems better than the alternative of socialized medicine.

The salaries below are not cash in pocket since part of the earnings is compensated in housing and perks

According to 'leapscholar' the average pay for a RN in England is about $65K/yr (with 5 years experience or more, a new to one year nurse is about $21.5k):
"The average nurse salary in UK per month is 4,541 GBP which is calculated to be around 54,500 GBP per year. Further, the salaries of a working nurse can range from 28,300 GBP to 83,300 GBP per year. This average salary per year includes various benefits like housing, transport and other allowances."
leapscholar

1 posted on 01/05/2023 2:06:38 AM PST by blueplum
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To: Winniesboy; sinsofsolarempirefan

Winnie / Sins - How true is this article?


2 posted on 01/05/2023 2:11:17 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: blueplum

“And around 8,600 Covid patients were taking up beds on December...“

They should come up with a vaccine or something to head this off at the pass…oh…wait…


3 posted on 01/05/2023 2:29:59 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: blueplum

The goal of socialized medicine is to minimize expenditures on treating patients, thereby maximizing the money remaining in the government’s hands to use as it sees fit.


4 posted on 01/05/2023 2:34:56 AM PST by fruser1
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To: blueplum

But it’s free! But it’s Free!
Suuure it’s free.


5 posted on 01/05/2023 3:08:50 AM PST by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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To: TalBlack

the vaccines work great against earlier mutations of the CV, like Alpha and Delta and early Omnicron, but virus gonna virus and the Omnicron Kraken (XBB.1.5) has mutated (think shapeshifting) the areas that acquired immunity and vaccine immunity antibodies normally latch on to. It’s harder for your antibodies to ‘see’ it. XBB.1.5 is most prevalent in the northeast US right now, about 40-70% of cases.

(From the Guardian:)
“The variant has an unusual mutation known as F486P that is helping it spread. The mutation changes part of the Covid virus that many antibodies from vaccination or previous infection target. The change makes the antibodies less effective at neutralising the virus. The parent variant, XBB, has a different mutation at the same position. This makes XBB good at evading immune defences too, but the mutation comes with a cost: the virus cannot latch on to human cells as effectively, so the virus is actually less infectious. The XBB.1.5 offshoot suffers no such handicap: the F486P mutation allows it to evade antibodies without compromising how well it attaches to human cells. In fact, it binds to them even more strongly,,,”


6 posted on 01/05/2023 4:01:15 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: blueplum

Been hearing nightmare stories about the NHS for years. It has perennial problems with excessive wait times and poor delivery of care. I doubt the English people are in any worse health than other western countries. It is shameful to blame government mis-management on the people they are supposed to serve.


7 posted on 01/05/2023 4:22:41 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: blueplum

According to the most recent data available from the CMS, national healthcare expenditure (NHE) grew 9.7% to $4.1 trillion in 2020. That’s $12,530 per person. This figure accounted for 19.7% of gross domestic product (GDP) that year. If we look at each program individually, Medicare spending grew 3.5% to $829.5 billion in 2020, which is 20% of total NHE, while Medicaid spending grew 9.2% to $671.2 billion in 2020, which is 16% of total NHE.

The CMS projects that healthcare spending is estimated to grow by 5.4% each year between 2019 and 2028. This means healthcare will cost an estimated $6.2 trillion by 2028. Projections indicate that health spending will grow 1.1% faster than the country’s GPD each year from 2019 to 2028. This projection in growth is primarily due to higher Medicare enrollments. The projected healthcare spending estimates by the CMS do not take into account costs related to the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/082015/how-much-medicaid-and-medicare-cost-americans.asp


8 posted on 01/05/2023 5:06:17 AM PST by kabar
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To: blueplum

time to start pushing the final solution treatment.

For those who expect more from the afterlife, we can send you there. Socialized Medicine. It’s been our plan all along.


9 posted on 01/05/2023 5:48:58 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: blueplum
Mark Stein once opined that in a nation with socialized medicine the role of Health Minister is absolutely the most powerful because they drive everything such governments do.

That should be enough of a warning.

10 posted on 01/05/2023 6:44:15 AM PST by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. F. B. I. is tending in that direction." - Harry S Truman)
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To: blueplum
Mark Stein Steyn

Ooops. Fixed

11 posted on 01/05/2023 6:46:23 AM PST by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. F. B. I. is tending in that direction." - Harry S Truman)
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To: Cronos

The NHS is certainly under huge pressure at the moment. My sister just had to pay £6,000 for private treatment for a tonselectomy for my niece because she was struggling to eat or sleep properly and she could have been waiting three months or more if it was on the NHS.


12 posted on 01/05/2023 6:53:59 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: fruser1

Their solution will be to murder more people.

The British socialist medicine denies medical care. They have been killing 125,000 people a year. They just changed the name when caught. They are still killing people. Canada does the same thing.

Hospitals bribed to put patients on pathway to death: Cash incentive for NHS trusts that meet targets on Liverpool Care Pathway
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223286/Hospitals-bribed-patients-pathway-death-Cash-incentive-NHS-trusts-meet-targets-Liverpool-Care-Pathway.html

Care Pathway scrapped after damning report reveals how relatives were shouted at by nurses for giving loved ones a drink
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2364029/How-Liverpool-Care-Pathway-used-excuse-appalling-care.html


13 posted on 01/05/2023 7:27:57 AM PST by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: blueplum

Had they let the virus virus and pushed the various useful therapies we’d be long past it by now. The not vaccines vaccines only helped to introduce mutation chaos as it was pointed out that they would. They were and are all downside. No upside.


14 posted on 01/05/2023 3:40:25 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: Tupelo

When something is “free” demand marches to infinity.

Some lessons can only be learned the hard way.


15 posted on 01/05/2023 3:42:10 PM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: kabar

*Medicare spending grew 3.5% to $829.5 billion in 2020”

when calculating Medicare, shouldn’t we deduct what is paid in via individual’s payroll deductions/interest earned? That is, unlike medicaid, it’s not entirely a govt burden? make sense?

I’m not sure how to interpret this chart but it seems to show $345,256,000,000 in trust fund income for 2020 with a $409,789,000,000 outlay
https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/social-security-and-medicare/medicare/hospital-insurance-trust-fund-annual-income/

but it doesn’t differentiate between premiums paid, interest earned, and congressional funding


16 posted on 01/05/2023 4:33:26 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: Cronos

Apologies only saw this today. I’m out of action at the moment , will respond as soon as I can.


17 posted on 01/09/2023 1:41:48 AM PST by Winniesboy
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