Posted on 12/26/2022 2:02:31 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT
Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda recently caused the climate lobby to blow a fuse by speaking a truth about battery electric vehicles that his fellow auto executives dare not. “Just like the fully autonomous cars that we were all supposed to be driving by now,” Mr. Toyoda said in Thailand, “I think BEVs are just going to take longer to become mainstream than the media would like us to believe.” He added that a “silent majority” in the auto industry share his view, “but they think it’s the trend, so they can’t speak out loudly.”
The Biden administration seems to believe that millions of Americans will rush out to buy electric vehicles if only the government throws enough subsidies at them.
Imagine if the 100 million Americans who took to the road over the holidays were driving electric cars. How many would have been stranded as temperatures plunged? There wouldn’t be enough tow trucks—or emergency medics—for people freezing in their cars.
... the web of federal rules, including the National Environmental Policy Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Uniform Relocation Assistance and Real Property Acquisition Policies Act of 1970, and a 1960 federal law that bars charging stations in rest areas.
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Good idea. If your bike battery dies before you get home, you just resume your route by either pedaling or walk your bike home. If your car battery dies, you will not have these options.
—”Its not a simply implemented technology.”
And that is why cramming it down will not work.
Speeding up and burning more money seldom works.
Many believe that slowing down will show better results at a lower cost.
“MASSIVE subsidies to Big Oil causes massive market disruption in the Automotive Market. It amounts to ~$17k subsidy per gasoline car sold in the USA including Federal and State subsidies. Otherwise you would be spending $17k more on gasoline/diesel over the 20 year lifespan of an internal combustion car.”
Link please.
Those are just a few problems I see happening with EVs
One has to wonder just how much of an EV battery would be consumed just to get the cars in Buffalo able to drive, considering some of the pictures coming out of there.
“Also interesting that he says people are afraid to speak out on this subject.”
...not after what we’ve seen about masks, lockdowns, vaccines, and Ivermectin.
—”I don’t get how California has decreed that there will be no new internal combustion engine cars sold in California by 2035. A number of other states, and some European countries, are also targeting 2035 as the date when the internal combustion engine will be phased out.”
But the dim voters will vote for them this year and most will have forgotten the promised dates...
>>If I thought they were a better mouse trap I might consider one, right now they’re not though.<<
China controls most of solar- and battery- production. How will our Congresscritters accept Chinese bribes should technology bypasse EVs?
>>One has to wonder just how much of an EV battery would be consumed just to get the cars in Buffalo able to drive, considering some of the pictures coming out of there.<<
Not to worry. Buffalo’s EVs will be required to trailer their own generators behind.
“And do any of these people ever stop to think, that the electricity to recharge all these electric cars will be generated in coal or natural gas fired power plants, the evil fossil fuels we want to phase out?”
They know, if anything they are FAR SMARTER than the conservatives who oppose them. In this case, one you know their end game, that being the end of personal transportation, then everything they are doing, and everything they are ignoring (including the grid), falls into place.
The problem is FAR TOO MANY conservatives actually believe that they really want us driving electric cars. They don’t. They don’t want us driving ANY cars, and they WILL see to that end, at least as long as conservatives are unwilling (more likely, too stupid) to call out what their REAL END GAME is.
“This is America, land of free speech, at least it used to be that.”
In case you haven’t noticed, free speech ended in America once the people demanding free speech, the Baby Boomers, got their ‘free speech’.
No new nuke plants since Three Mile Island and that was in 1979.
The EV consume a lot of E(lectricity). The E production would have to increase a lot! Where from? Windmills and solar cells? Probably not.
Even worse - the fast charging stations (which still take about half and hour) require huge power transfer about 365 kW.
It needs all kind of thick wires and other tools.
In comparison, our decent size fully electrical house is wired for 6kW.
So this charger uses power of whole neighborhood or small town.
Basically the whole US power system needs to be rewired and huge investments in power generation must be made!
I’d like to see solutions to the following issues:
Insufficient electricity infrastructure to charge the vehicles. [buses will solve that]
Move away from Lithium to some new battery technologies... [buses will solve that]
Faster charges and more charging stations. [buses will solve that]
Performance during cold snaps. [buses will solve that]
“Interesting to hear the head of Toyota, saying that we are force feeding electric cars into the world.
Also interesting that he says people are afraid to speak out on this subject.”
There’s a reason why Toyota is the #1 vehicle manufacturer in the world today. They have competent, UN-woke corporate management.
The leftists don’t care about practical matters like what will be the capacity of the electric grid in 2035. In spite of or because of the socialists’ “planning,” the mobility of common citizens will be severely restricted. The left sees that as an important feature, not a bug.
—”MASSIVE subsidies to Big Oil causes massive market disruption in the Automotive Market. It amounts to ~$17k subsidy per gasoline car sold in the USA”
I retired from “Big Oil” (BP).
And recall when 0bama cut many of the US tax benefits for US research.
You can always find some “reporting” of huge gifts to oil companies. Usually provided by the Environmental Defence fund or their pals.
Much of the research has wide benefits beyond the oil patch.
Example: Intelligent Pigs to survey pipes from the inside and record any defects. They built a small pipeline and added calibrated defects of varied sizes and locations, not cheap.
Old cities have thousands of miles of old pipes for sewer, water, and gas; no one knows where they are located or their condition.
Occasionally in Chicago, they find some ancient wooden water mains or cast iron gas pipes. Not good.
IIRC As of January first, 2023 the entire R&D Center that once employed over ten thousand workers will be shut down.
Researchers came from all over the globe to work there.
We can possibly purchase Intelligent Pigs from the Chinese?
Equipment “previously installed privately in Virginia has had a high failure rate shown in user comments and reports on social media,” and “even compatibility with credit card readers has been unexpectedly complicated.”
Why would credit card readers be more complicated than those on gas pumps? That doesn't make sense.
New Mexico warns that “poor station maintenance can lead to stations being perpetually broken and unusable, particularly in rural or hard to access locations. If an EV charging station is built in an area without electrical capacity and infrastructure to support its use, it will be unusable until the appropriate upgrades are installed.”
I guess they will sit and rust.
They will be monuments to the Biden Presidency.
Arizona warns cyber vulnerabilities could compromise customer financial transactions, charging infrastructure, electric vehicles and the grid.
Again, why would the financial transactions be more vulnerable than those at gas stations? Is it because these are unmanned facilities and easier to place skimmers?
If they are unmanned, wouldn't the users be in physical danger to robbers?
Imagine if the 100 million Americans who took to the road over the holidays were driving electric cars. How many would have been stranded as temperatures plunged? There wouldn’t be enough tow trucks—or emergency medics—for people freezing in their cars.
Yeah. There were enough deaths in this "bomb cyclone".
From an earlier thread but apropos for here..
Given the current state of battery tech the crop of EVs we have are dangerous and impractical.
They have a battery chemistry that generates it’s own oxygen when they combust...not good at all! I recall the oxygen-rich air in the Apollo capsule that caught fire and killed 3 brave astronauts in the 70’s :-(
The best car you could have with the technology at hand is IMO a diesel-electric hybrid. A car with a smallish 4-cylinder diesel that charges up a modest battery bank with a stable and safe chemistry, like the LiFePO4 cells, they weigh about twice as much as the current crop of EV cells but you can drill holes through the cells and they will not sustain combustion.
It would appear that such a diesel-electric would have very poor acceleration but actually they can be designed to switch to electric motors if you tromp on the gas... for a short while the LiFePO4 battery bank could deliver acceleration as good as or better than the hot-rods of old.
Use the electric engines when in dense city traffic to lower pollution and still have all the power to get out of a situation quickly if you need to.. Plus diesel is far less explosive than gas, you can almost put a fire out by throwing diesel on it.
And imagine getting stuck in a snowdrift for hours in an EV, you will freeze.. but the diesel-electric hybrid would chug along making wonderful heat for you :-)
Solid State Lithium-ion Battery Tear Down and FIRE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pu8hs6hmyk
And now - LiFePO4 Drill Test! Will it erupt in flames?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8xNjz73p80
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