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Biden signs international climate deal on refrigerants
Yahoo ^ | 27 Oct 2022

Posted on 10/28/2022 9:14:31 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: DUMBGRUNT

Guess we could go back to ammonia.


21 posted on 10/28/2022 10:15:20 AM PDT by Ed Condon (subliminal messages here in invisible ink)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Get ready for the return of the old H2O swamp coolers.
R22, almost as good as R12 but not quite.


22 posted on 10/28/2022 10:16:37 AM PDT by 9422WMR (45 1. Lie, cheat, steal. It’s how the democRATS operate. )
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To: rigelkentaurus

They came up with a new reason, climate change.


23 posted on 10/28/2022 10:16:42 AM PDT by Cold Heart (Everybody vaxxed was injured, your degree of damage and timing may differ)
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To: DUMBGRUNT; All
"Biden signs international climate deal on refrigerants"
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Global organized crime (imo), front-ending itself with very corrupt, constitutinally undefined political parties imo, is giving Constitution-impaired citizens the golden opportunity to learn about the federal governent's constitutionally powers right before an important election.

From related threads...

Regarding Biden signing the politically correct but constitutionally indefensible (imo) climate deal on refrigerants, patriots are reminded of the following.

The states have never expressly constitutionally given the feds the specific power to deal with government-manufactured (imo) global warming “crisis.” So by approving this unconstitutional treaty, the allegedly stolen Oval Office, along with the post-17th Amendment ratification Senate is once again helping to unconstitutionally expanded the already unconstitutionally big federal government's powers imo.

Consider that Thomas Jefferson had first used his uncommon common sense as Secretary of State, then later his experience as president of the Senate, to point out that federal government power to make treaties cannot be used as backdoor to bypass the Constitution's Article V process for giving new powers to the fedreal government.

The Supreme Court later reflected Jefferson's words with the following clarification concerning the Executive and Senate abusing their power to make and confirm treaties respectively.

"The obvious and decisive answer to this, of course, is that no agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or on any other branch of Government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution." —Reid v. Covert, 1957.

The next step for draining the swamp is for Trump's red tsunami of patriot supporters, including closet Democratic Trump Supporters, to vote Republican in November.

24 posted on 10/28/2022 10:19:21 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: The Old Hoosier

I wish they’d pass a law that reads, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”


25 posted on 10/28/2022 10:37:54 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“The agreement should lead to tens of thousands of new jobs and billions of dollars in exports”

Bull. It’s going to lead to lost jobs and refrigerators that will be affordable only to the rich.


26 posted on 10/28/2022 10:54:34 AM PDT by lowbridge ("Let’s check with Senator Schumer before we run it" - NY Times)
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To: Ed Condon

Eh, just use propane.


27 posted on 10/28/2022 11:06:36 AM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power )
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To: OldMissileer

Yep, my hvac friend explained to me this was a sham.


28 posted on 10/28/2022 11:12:00 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Remember August 8!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Mitch McConnell’s RINO posse all voted for it.


29 posted on 10/28/2022 11:14:36 AM PDT by dforest
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To: DUMBGRUNT

My 92 Corvette uses R-12 but I bought 6 Cans for back up, I haven’t switched to R-134, and won’t till I run out.


30 posted on 10/28/2022 11:27:18 AM PDT by Rappini
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To: Ed Condon
Guess we could go back to ammonia.

Or Ice Blocks.

31 posted on 10/28/2022 11:30:03 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: rednesss

—”Eh, just use propane.”

Widely used in high-end refrigerators.

Called R-290.

When my 23-year-old AC system started to lose performance, R-290 was much cheaper.
BBQ propane can have a tiny bit of water that may cause problems, but it usually works.


32 posted on 10/28/2022 11:38:32 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: Rappini

—” I haven’t switched to R-134, and won’t till I run out.”

IMO 134 is NOT a direct replacement for 12!

Uses a different oil and expansion valve.

YMMV.


33 posted on 10/28/2022 11:43:45 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: rigelkentaurus

Yup, made the move to R134a but that’s already being phased out. New cars come with HFO-1234yf aka R-1234yf which is kinda flammable.

In case of fire it releases highly corrosive and toxic hydrogen fluoride and the highly toxic gas carbonyl fluoride.[25]


34 posted on 10/28/2022 11:48:55 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm & GMO Free - some call us purebloods)
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To: fwdude

(Nana is amazed at the brilliance of that suggestion)

Now all she needs is $85,000 to buy the EV

(The price by next month)


35 posted on 10/28/2022 1:06:47 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Hessian

“... as clean technologies are developed to replace HFCs around the world, “Zaidi said

It sure would be nice to develop those solutions before ending those technologies that actually work to serve humanity. Are we going to retreat to unrefrigerated food in homes???


36 posted on 10/28/2022 2:14:04 PM PDT by wildbill (The older I get, the less the term 'life in prison" scares me)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

He better have a stray for his ice cream.


37 posted on 10/28/2022 2:37:03 PM PDT by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: oldplayer

They are probably a normal feature of the atmosphere that are cyclical or otherwise affected by forces other than refrigerators and air-conditioners.
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Way long ago, perhaps in the 1980s, we came across a huge collection of National Geographics. The cover of one of the 1957 issues was a celebration of the International Geophysical Year and featured a main story on the ozone hole.


38 posted on 10/28/2022 6:41:21 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

In the good old days, hydrofluorocarbons would make a hole in the Ozone layer. That must not have been scary enough so now hydrofluorocarbons actually change the entire climate.


39 posted on 10/29/2022 6:26:24 AM PDT by Neverlift (When someone says "you just can't make this stuff up" odds are good, somebody did.)
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