Posted on 10/22/2022 7:36:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
The following dispatch has just been received from our special correspondent at Harper's Ferry:
Nine o'clock P.M. Our cavalry pickets have been extended two miles, and are now some distance beyond Halltown, now held by our infantry.
A balloon reconnoissance was made last night, and discovered the enemy this side of Charlestown.
Deserters coming in, report JACKSON, with a large force, still in the neighborhood of Bunker's Hill.
Capt. J.F. PELL, First Minnesota, Provost-Marshal of Harper's Ferry; who went to Charlestown with last Thursday's reconnoissance, while returning alone at 7, P.M., was captured by the enemy in a raid on our rear. He is a brave man, universally loved and respected.
There is great dissatisfaction in the army respecting Order No. 154, authorizing regulars to fill up their regiments from those of volunteers.
HEADQUARTERS ARMY OF THE POTOMAC, Tuesday Evening, Oct. 21.
An expedition started from Gen. SLOCUM's command this morning, for the purpose of intercepting and capturing a force of rebel cavalry, under Capt. Duo, who were foraging near Lovettsville, Loudon County, Va. It was in every respect successful, but the details are not known.
We took thirty-two prisoners, among whom was the Captain, and killed ten of the enemy. Our loss was one man killed and four wounded. Due's was an independent company, raised in Loudon County.
Mrs. Gen. MCCLELLAN and Mrs. Gen. MARDY, having finished their visit to the Army of the Potomac, left for Washington to-day.
WASHINGTON. Tuesday. Oct. 21.
We have just received the following dispatch, dated Frederick. Oct. 21 -- 10 P.M.
During the recent rebel raid into this State, a wife of a National officer, the latter of whom is connected with the Potomac Home Guard,
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How do you like that? Typesetters got the date wrong on page 1. Twentieth or twenty-first Century archivists had to make a correction.
From the Army of the Potomac: Advance of Our Cavalry Pickets Two Miles Into Virginia – 2-4
The War in Missouri – 4
News from Washington: War Bulletins – 4-6
The Indian War: The Latest from Gen. Sibley’s Camp – 6
Base Ball in Philadelphia – 6
Editorial: A Month of the Proclamation – 6-7
Editorial: Artillery and Armor – 7
Gen. Scott Vindicates Himself – 7-8
Peace Proposals – 8
London Press on the Proclamation – 8
Oklahoma 1861 - '62 Engagements
| Date | Engagement | Military Units | Losses | Victor |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nov 19, 1861 | Round Mountain, OK | Union: Creeks & Seminoles (Opothleyahola ~1,700) & Confederate Cavalry (Cooper, ~1,400) | Union 110-total (unkwn-killed), Confederates 10-total (6-killed) | CSA (CSA outnumbered) |
| Dec 9 | Chusto-Talasah, OK | Union Creek & Seminole allies (Opothleyahola ~2,500) & Confederate Texas cavalry + Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek & Cherokee allies (Cooper ~1,300) | Union 500-total (9-killed), Confederates 467-total (30-killed) | CSA (CSA outnumbered) |
| Dec 26 | Chustenahlah, OK | Union Creek & Seminole allies (Opothleyahola ~1,700) & Confederate Texas Cavalry (McIntoxh, Stand Watie ~1,380) | Union 430-total (2,000 later starved), Confederates 49-total (9-killed) | CSA (CSA outnumbered) |
| Oct 22, 1862 | Old Fort Wayne, OK | Union Army of the Frontier, 1st Division -- Kansas, Indiana, Cherokee regiments (Blunt, 3,500), Confederate Army of Trans-Mississippi, 1st Brigade -- Cherokee, Chawktaw, Chickasaw, Creek (Cooper ~1,500) | Union 14-total (2-killed?), Confederates 150-total (15-killed) | USA |
The war's 154th engagement, overall victories & defeats remain surprisingly even:
Summary of Civil War Engagements as of October 22, 1862:
Engagements in Confederate states:
| State | Union Victories | Confederate Victories | Inconclusive | Total Engagements |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| South Carolina | 2 | 2 | 1 | 5 |
| Virginia | 7 | 26 | 11 | 44 |
| North Carolina | 5 | 1 | 0 | 6 |
| Florida | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Louisiana | 3 | 1 | 0 | 4 |
| Tennessee | 6 | 3 | 1 | 10 |
| Arkansas | 4 | 0 | 1 | 5 |
| Georgia | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Mississippi | 3 | 1 | 0 | 4 |
| Total Engagements in CSA | 33 | 34 | 14 | 81 |
Engagements in Union states/territories:
| State | Union Victories | Confederate Victories | Inconclusive | Total Engagements |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Maryland | 3 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
| West Virginia | 9 | 3 | 2 | 14 |
| Missouri | 12 | 12 | 1 | 25 |
| New Mexico | 5 | 8 | 0 | 13 |
| Kentucky | 5 | 6 | 2 | 13 |
| Oklahoma | 1 | 3 | 0 | 4 |
| Total Engagements in Union | 35 | 32 | 6 | 73 |
| Total Engagements to date | 68 | 66 | 20 | 154 |
These bring the war's total casualties to nearly 242,000 including almost 29,000 killed in action.
An interesting exchange of views there. I wonder how it must have felt to know that the nation was being rent asunder in the war, and you were off in Indiana dealing with the [as they were called then] Indians. The Indian Wars would come later of course, in part because of the pressure after the Civil War for refugees to move west, and in part to give those who stayed in the military something to do as Reconstruction wound down.
Base Ball in Philadelphia – 6
Philly lost 38-9? I suspect that the baseball game in Philadelphia last evening was somewhat of a different experience 🙄
After I linked your reply to my Twitter gang I got the following response from Perry Cuskey, “Shiloh Discussion Group administrator. Civil War student.”
“The statements about outnumbered Confederates is seriously misleading. Chief Opothleyahola had mostly women and children, and was simply trying to get them to Kansas. They were relentlessly pursued and attacked without provocation.”
The 119th is assigned to US Grant's 13th Corps in support of the early phase of his Vicksburg campaign.
It is hard to believe that this actually could have happened.
Thanks for asking.
At Round Mountain, November 19, 1861, we are not told the size of Opothleyahola's force or how many were women & children.
The Confederate force is given as 1,400 men, so it may well be that Confederates then outnumbered Union loyalists.
At Chusto-Talasah, December 9, 1861 we are told Opothleyahola's force numbered up to 2,500 men, so not counting women & children, still nearly double the Confederate force of around 1,300 men.
At Chustenahlah, December 26, 1861, Opothleyahola is said to have 1,700 men compared to 1,380 Confederates.
I do make a practice of pointing out rare cases where outnumbered forces defeat larger ones.
Nearly always the reasons include some advantage in position, surprise, weapons and/or motivation.
In Oklahoma the reasons appear to include Union loyalists' need to protect unarmed civilians.
Perry Cuskey: “Yes, they were trying to get away, especially from the Texans.”
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