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Why, Despite Good Intentions, Ken Burns’s "The U.S. and the Holocaust" Fails
Mosaic Magazine ^ | OCT. 13 2022 | RUTH R. WISSE

Posted on 10/18/2022 5:04:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: SunkenCiv

I was going to watch it, but when I found out that it was a Ken Burns production, I took it off my list. I would rather see a well-documented series on how the U.S. and other allied governments failed to pursue and punish known Nazi war criminals, and in fact, used them as paid assets to provide intelligence on their perceived enemies. We have never been told the truth about this country’s role in helping Nazis escape to the U.S., or the crimes they knew that these same people had committed. We should also be allowed to know, just what intelligence these war criminals provided this government, and if it actually made a difference in the war against communism.


41 posted on 10/18/2022 6:58:52 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: Kaiser8408a

I have found all of his major work overrated and irritating, for 2 basic reasons:

-INCESSANT pounding on the poor black martyrs with heavy emphasis; yes, this INCLUDES “Civil War”
-Boring production value; everything is a funeral dirge, and that includes “Baseball” which should be largely upbeat and peppy, but still sounds like a funeral dirge in the background

The only thing so far I “liked” was the story of a cross-country automobile excursion of an early auto pioneer (common in those days). That was reasonable and not overly boringly presented. Topic that apparently Burns found peppy enough to avoid dirges, and unable to cobble the Poor Black Martyr into.


42 posted on 10/18/2022 7:03:41 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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To: Freee-dame

People act like it’s just come out of the blue.

In truth I felt slandered and libeled as a country in the ‘80s in school.

It’s much worse now, but it existed then.

Basically, since the evil, overrated ‘60s the society has turned to crap.


43 posted on 10/18/2022 7:06:28 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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To: nickcarraway

6 hours of nonstop whining, and blaming the US as usual.


44 posted on 10/18/2022 7:55:09 PM PDT by euram
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To: wardaddy

“We lost a lot of men fighting that war”

Think how many dead Americans we would of lost if ‘interventionists ideologues’ would’ve had their way in WW1 & WW2.

Between 1 & 2 million is my conservative estimate.


45 posted on 10/18/2022 8:00:07 PM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: dfwgator

LOL, never saw that! Those people must work for the Bee now...


46 posted on 10/18/2022 8:34:25 PM PDT by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: nickcarraway

IMO, his treatment of the matter could not have beaten a series done way back when. I used to watch “The World at War.”


47 posted on 10/18/2022 8:37:22 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Freee-dame

Howard Zinn has done incalculable damage to this country.


48 posted on 10/18/2022 8:48:59 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Gaffer
IMO, his treatment of the matter could not have beaten a series done way back when. I used to watch “The World at War.”

Still the Gold Standard for War Documentaries. I also highly recommend The Winds of War/War and Remembrance.

49 posted on 10/18/2022 8:50:58 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator
“The World At War’’ or “How England Won WW2 All By Itself With A Little Timely Assistance From The United States’’.
50 posted on 10/18/2022 10:39:14 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: jmacusa

The one thing I remember from the World at War was seeing Stephen Ambrose with long hair.


51 posted on 10/18/2022 10:45:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator
Yeah I remember that. And Laurence Oliver's great narration.
52 posted on 10/18/2022 10:46:46 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: monkeyshine

See Operation Keelhaul.


53 posted on 10/18/2022 11:06:16 PM PDT by jamaksin ( )
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To: dfwgator

I thought you might be referencing Project Mercury 2, Jan 1st 1961 when Ham was launched into space.

/Guess I’m on another list now.


54 posted on 10/18/2022 11:08:54 PM PDT by Do_Tar (To my NSA handler: Just kidding.)
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To: Lisbon1940

Exactly. Bottom line. Thank you. Our mission was to destroy the Nazi war machine, not rescue people who we couldn’t reach if we wanted to. And don’t forget, many German Jews chose freely to stay in Germany for a host of reasons which made sense to them at the time; it was not as if every Jew in Europe wanted to come to America.


55 posted on 10/18/2022 11:47:47 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: pfflier

Today it’s gets hard to separate the satire from reality.
Babylon Bee has stiff competition!🤣


56 posted on 10/19/2022 1:45:46 AM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: wardaddy

Why self flagellate now


Undermines USA foundations by one sided negative narrative.


57 posted on 10/19/2022 2:08:29 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Genocide is here. Leftist extremists are spearhheading the Genocide against conservatives. )
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To: grumpygresh

The real fascists are the leftists that rig elections and run the DOJ and the corrupt police state agencies FBI, DEA, IRS etc.


But this narrative is not promoted.


58 posted on 10/19/2022 2:10:36 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Genocide is here. Leftist extremists are spearhheading the Genocide against conservatives. )
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I too will welcome our benevolent Chinese overlords.

At least the schools should be better and safer.

Oh, and our inner-city hooligans are going to love the new Chinese police force!

59 posted on 10/19/2022 2:17:51 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve read 1000’s of pages of history on the Pacific war and while there was a lot of suspicion about Japs living in Hawaii, i’ve never read anything of the sort.

I understand why FDR did what he did- it is funny how when monuments of Thomas Jefferson or Teddy Roosevelt are regularly removed, nothing bearing the name of FDR is touched.


60 posted on 10/19/2022 5:27:14 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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