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Does the Vaccine Stop Transmission? How to understand the difference between vaccination to prevent Covid-19 and shots to halt infection. (20-month old opinion piece)
NY Times ^ | February 23, 2021 | Angela L. Rasmussen

Posted on 10/16/2022 5:23:36 PM PDT by DoodleBob

...Many scientists are reluctant to say with certainty that the vaccines prevent transmission of the virus from one person to another. This can be misinterpreted as an admission that the vaccines do not work. That’s not the case. The limited data available suggests the vaccines will at least partly reduce transmission, and the studies to determine this with more clarity are underway. There should be more data within the next couple of months. Until then, precautionary measures like masking and distancing in the presence of unvaccinated people will remain important.

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When scientists develop a vaccine against a novel virus, it’s difficult to predict whether vaccination will completely prevent infection — what’s called sterilizing immunity. If the Covid-19 vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity, it means a vaccinated person can still inhale enough of the SARS-CoV-2 virus to develop an infection, and it will be swiftly cleared from the body before becoming Covid-19, but that person could still pass the infection to another person.

There are many vaccines that do not provide fully sterilizing immunity but nonetheless have huge public health benefits. Every year, the flu vaccine saves lives and keeps people out of the hospital despite the fact that it doesn’t prevent infection altogether.

From everything we know so far, it’s highly unlikely that vaccines that are 95 percent effective at preventing symptomatic disease would have no impact whatsoever on infection. Data from animal studies and vaccine trials suggests that vaccination reduces asymptomatic infection, as well as the amount of virus produced in people infected.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History; Reference; Society
KEYWORDS: 2021; covid19; covid1984; covidjabs; fakenews; newyorkslimes; safeandeffective; transmission; vaccine

1 posted on 10/16/2022 5:23:36 PM PDT by DoodleBob
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To: DoodleBob

Vax so nice, I got covid twice.


2 posted on 10/16/2022 5:27:30 PM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: DoodleBob

3 posted on 10/16/2022 5:29:01 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: DoodleBob

What it shows is that TPTB lied to us for their own benefit. It wasn’t informed consent for those who took it, because it was disinformation.


4 posted on 10/16/2022 5:29:38 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I wish “smart resume” would work for the real world so I could FF through the Burden admin BS.)
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To: DoodleBob
From everything we know so far, it’s highly unlikely that vaccines that are 95 percent effective at preventing symptomatic disease would have no impact whatsoever on infection

Utter BS then and the pile of excrement is even larger today.

5 posted on 10/16/2022 5:29:53 PM PDT by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: frogjerk

Tell me something I don’t already know.

Daughter #1, a control natural, caught it from her triple-vaxxed son. Not the only instance I’ve heard of.


6 posted on 10/16/2022 5:40:03 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: DoodleBob

Title of story should be, “How to sugar coat failure.”

Haven’t been vaxed, not once. Neither my wife.

Haven’t had Covid, or if I had it, it was so mild that I didn’t even know. And I and my wife are in high risk groups!

Meanwhile, almost everyone I know that got vaxed got sick, some pretty bad I might add. How does that work? I’m sure some buffoon has an excuse.

Worse yet, while the Covid hype was at it’s apex, I had a Christmas and birthday parties (what did the idiots call this? A super spreader event), went to the beach...

How’s this for an explanation for Covid: the combined interests of pharma, political (election year), media, as well as a government buerocracy always looking for a problem to fix blew this thing completely out of proportion, never really offered a solution, and are still beating this drum a little bit as it gets quieter and quieter.

This was an exercise in group think, mass hysteria, and psuedo science. Had we burned virgins at the stake it would have been equally effective as masking up...


7 posted on 10/16/2022 5:45:24 PM PDT by Red6
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Yeah, Moderna, Pfizer etc. will stop will stop your transmission:

Replace your transmission fluid or gear oil with this poison, and soon your gears and bearings will seize and stop turning.

Stop the virus, though: Nope. wasn’t even designed to do so.


8 posted on 10/16/2022 6:03:14 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: DoodleBob

i love how the journ-o-lists lie by a twisted combination of twisted omission, commission, and double-speak.

to hopefully analyse the falsehoods here:

they don’t distinguish between the jab effect on a group or herd and that on an individual.

‘sterilizing immunity’ happens when a persons immune system clears any exposure before it can overwhelm the individual’s immune system. it can be jab induced (artificial) or natural (God given) immunity. it is an individual thing. they are of course lying by conflating it with herd immunity.

the 95% protection is another lie. that’s a number they computed relative to the number infected out of a sample group of people (btw, even the sample itself was gamed in various ways by big pharma, but leave that aside for now). one group is the control, the other is the experimental. the truth is less then 1% of both groups were infected in the pfizer study. of *those infected* say .025 of the control, maybe .5*.05 of the experiment were infected. so the big old 95% protection really amounts to claim that 1 or 2 out of 200 were supposedly safeguarded by the jab.

to say the least, this kind of statistical health study is misleading, fragile, designed to pass muster and proves absolutely nothing, imo.

lastly, infectivity is governed by the RO epidemiological statistic, which is a probability estimate based on clean/honest data, of which none is available from the CDC.

anyway, if the probability of 1 person infecting another person was above 1 before the jab, and drops below 1 after the jab, that would be evidence that the jab ‘stopped’ transmission of the virus in the herd. of course, that never happened to this day with the jab.

another lie is the asymptomatic myth of individual transmission. the chances of the population of asymptomatic persons (even if it exists) passing the virus has an R0 very small compared to 1.0 for commonsense reasons, but is also proven in studies i’ve read about previous pandemics. thus in general i think R0 (asymp) << R0 <symp).


9 posted on 10/16/2022 6:17:46 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: DoodleBob

Title of story should be, “How to sugar coat failure.”

Haven’t been vaxed, not once. Neither my wife.

Haven’t had Covid, or if I had it, it was so mild that I didn’t even know. And I and my wife are in high risk groups!

Meanwhile, almost everyone I know that got vaxed got sick, some pretty bad I might add. How does that work? I’m sure some buffoon has an excuse.

Worse yet, while the Covid hype was at it’s apex, I had a Christmas and birthday parties (what did the idiots call this? A super spreader event), went to the beach...

How’s this for an explanation for Covid: the combined interests of pharma, political (election year), media, as well as a government buerocracy always looking for a problem to fix blew this thing completely out of proportion, never really offered a solution, and are still beating this drum a little bit as it gets quieter and quieter.

This was an exercise in group think, mass hysteria, and psuedo science. Had we burned virgins at the stake it would have been equally effective as masking up...


10 posted on 10/16/2022 6:40:19 PM PDT by Red6
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To: DoodleBob

Pfizer said it doesn’t work. What more does people need to know? Are they lying? Are they fact checking Pfizer own admissions?


11 posted on 10/16/2022 9:31:31 PM PDT by roving ( Pronouns- libs/suk)
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To: LegendHasIt

The curve was actually pretty flat UNTIL the vaccine was released.


12 posted on 10/16/2022 9:33:58 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: DoodleBob

I just got over COVID. Was vaxxed waaaay back at the beginning. No boosters because I had learned more. My SIL and MIL were also sick and they had all the shots and boosters. Was like a mild cold for a day or two.


13 posted on 10/17/2022 3:34:03 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: DoodleBob

I’d say there’s a good chance that they bloody knew from the get-go that the vaxxes wouldn’t stop transmission and that what we’re seeing now is a modified limited hangout..

IOW: They’re STILL lying.


14 posted on 10/17/2022 3:37:43 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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I’d say there’s a good chance that they bloody knew from the get-go that the vaxxes wouldn’t stop transmission and that what we’re seeing now is a modified limited hangout..

The deep state/media complex is trying to keep a lid on the the frankenshots' "unsafe and ineffective" revelations until late 2024 in a last ditch attempt to pin them on Trump right before the election.

15 posted on 10/17/2022 3:41:55 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee

The damn vaxxes may have been the biggest illegal experimentation on human beings in history.

These people make Mengele and Japan’s Unit 731 look like pikers.


16 posted on 10/17/2022 4:03:42 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: DoodleBob

Vaccines stop transmission and prevent infection.... prior to the definition change a couple years ago.

Experimental covid jabs are NOT vaccines.

But as we all know mask stops transmission, 6’ of social distancing stops transmission ond covid can’t be transmitted while seated in a restaurant but can be walking to and from that table.

Ask any Covid Cultist.


17 posted on 10/17/2022 4:37:42 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: Antihero101607

Vax I heard is best in thirds...

My arm so sore cause I got four...

I’m in the lead cause I got five... R.I.P. you’re going to die 🤣🤣🤣🤣


18 posted on 10/17/2022 4:40:56 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: DoodleBob
Meanwhile...

Rapid antigen testing as a reactive response to surges in nosocomial SARS-CoV-2 outbreak risk

The vaxx mandate for healthcare workers has created superspreader employees who put patients at risk.

19 posted on 10/18/2022 4:19:05 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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