Scott Ritter talks about the referendum in Ukraine to become part of Russia

Issues that Matter with Cynthia ^ | October 5, 2022 | Scott Ritter

[Cathi]

Scott Ritter talks about the referendum in Ukraine to become part of Russia

28 min. interview

[tlozo]

The babies seemed to recognize their Mother and run to her

LOL, Russian re-education camps.

Russia's children's rights commissioner on Wednesday said that Ukrainian children taken to Russia from Mariupol initially showed negative attitudes toward Russia, but now don't wish to return hom

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2014 v 2001..........................

https://reconsideringrussia.org/2014/03/02/what-is-ukraine/ukraine-language-map/

Sure things have not changed in 13 years, nah, not at all.

[Petrosius]

First, do not confuse language with ethnicity. The vast majority of Irish speak English but do not try telling them that they are English.

Ethnic Ukrainians in Ukraine by raions (2001 census)

Largest ethnicity in Ukraine's cities and raions, according to 2001 census.

Nor is your map accurate even according to language:

Languages spoken at home in Ukraine, 2009 polling

Enough with the Russian lies.

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And yet, in all this and that, majority to voted to join Russia. Beautiful stuff.

[tlozo]

Languages of Ukraine

Well, according to you the Irish should love being taken over by the Brits. Stupid

The percentage of respondents who said they spoke Irish daily outside the education system in the 2011 census in the Republic of Ireland.

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According to you, Ukraine is headed to the gates of the Kremlin, so yeah.

[Salohcin]

LOL, Putin as a champion against “neo-colonialism” and supporting national sovereignty against hegemony? That’s rich. The whole idea behind Putin’s “Russian World” ideology is to establish a Russian hegemony over all parts of the former Russian Empire. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a prime example of neo-colonialism.

[tlozo]

And yet, in all this and that, majority to voted to join Russia.

The only vote that actually matters

[Petrosius]

And yet, in all this and that, majority to voted to join Russia.

Do you really think that anyone is going to believe that? When there was a free election in 1991 all these areas, including even Crimea, voted for Ukrainian independence.

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Millions that voted in those 4 regions do, and matter of fact, its their voices that matter, not anyone else’s - not yours, not the UN, not the US, not NATO, not the EU, not the UK, etc.

[Petrosius]

Millions that voted in those 4 regions do, and matter of fact, its their voices that matter, not anyone else’s - not yours, not the UN, not the US, not NATO, not the EU, not the UK, etc.

Voted at the point of a bayonet and counted by Russian agents. And how can you even justify the vote in Zaporizhzhia when the city of Zaporizhzhia itself and the majority of the population were under Ukrainian control? The so-called "referenda" are a joke.

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Show me vids that show people being forced to vote with a bayonet forcing them to vote, and for everyone you show, I will counter it with numerous vids via independent journalists on the ground at the time of the voting, in the voting zones, talking to people, etc. to call your BS.

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Did you have a problem with the ‘fake’ referendum that split Serbia up to create Kosovo, hypocrite?

This man says it in the way I wish I could:

‘Do you hear them laughing in Belgrade?’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1jUHqTHkBc

[Petrosius]

The areas are under military occupation, there was no open debate and campaign, no opposition voices were allowed. In addition there are actually videos of votes of blank ballots being counted as “yes” votes. You can find the videos yourself; they were posted on a number of sites. And again, how can you justify the vote in Zaporizhzhia? Repeat your line all you want but no one is believing it.

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Serbia was split to create Kosovo under US/NATO force of arms.
Your point is irrelevant.

[Petrosius]

Did you have a problem with the ‘fake’ referendum that split Serbia up to create Kosovo, hypocrite?

Actually I never supported either that referendum nor the splitting Kosovo from Serbia. Now I ask you, are you justifying the use of a false referendum in Ukraine on the use of a false referendum in Kosovo? Otherwise the referendum in Kosovo has no bearing on Ukraine.

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prove to me it was false

[Petrosius]

Serbia was split to create Kosovo under US/NATO force of arms. Your point is irrelevant.

Are you conceding that the Russian annexation of the Ukrainian oblasts is just a matter of force of arms and that the referenda were false and only for window dressing?

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here is what I am telling: If the US and NATO could do such, and at the time, Russia warned them of setting such a precedent, why in the hell are you or anyone else having a problem with Russia doing the same?

[Petrosius]

prove to me it was false

The Ukrainian "referenda" were false on the face of it. Even the claimed totals were outrageous. You could not get 98% of the people in a poll to agree that the sky is blue. They would have been more convincing if the results were 55-60%. But this is not how the Soviets/Putin Russia counts votes. They must have used North Korean voting machines. Keep trying to push the Russian line if you want but no one is buying it.