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Reasons for the Retreat Near Kherson (Russian Source)
Rybar ^ | 10/4/2022 | Roman Saponkov

Posted on 10/04/2022 6:53:43 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

Reasons for the retreat near Kherson. Of the units I am acquainted with, almost all of them reached out, losses are small. The men fought like lions, but this time fortune was not in their favor.

The reasons I see are:

1. No unit rotation. Units of the 126th Brigade have been fighting since March. Soldiers would go on leave for five days at best. Seven months on the front line without rotation. Constant battles, wounds, experienced and seasoned men were bombarded for seven months in a row.

End of August, these same guys knocked out the AFU’s 128th Transcarpathian brigade so badly that they declared mourning. Our men were left at their positions. The Ukrainians rotated out the 128th, brought in additional tank units and a month later knocked us out of our positions.

Miracles do not happen, no matter how heroic our soldiers may be, if the village is defended by 15 people, and the enemy hammers them with attacks and artillery fire for seven months in a row, sooner or later the unit will lose combat effectiveness.

2. Judging by the nature of the losses, the enemy used a tactic of wedging themselves between our strongpoints. Wildly short on infantry, ours sat at the strongholds, i.e. in the villages and plantations.

After months of reconnaissance, the enemy found places to infiltrate between the strongholds. Then came the insertion of mobile units into the gaps that were wedged open.

Our troops were severely strained, the strongpoints held, but the mobile reserves needed to stop the breakthroughs either did not exist, or were insufficient.

The strongholds would stay intact, but instantly, in the first few hours, would find themselves surrounded, fight until they ran out of ammunition and break out under fire.

By the way, the Ukrainians would have so little strength that they weren't even really trying to catch the encircled men, most of them made it back to us.

Weather was bad, neither side used artillery. So it's logical to suppose if we had some BTGs equipped with heavy copters, capable of seeing several kms, the breakthrough would have been stopped. But I have no info that the tankers fought to the last man, please excuse me if so.

3. Guys from the field report en masse that our tactical insignia, i.e. Z and V, was applied to enemy equipment, causing confusion in the first hours of the battle as the front collapsed.

If this is true, it means the enemy has an American network-centric battle management system, where all units on the battlefield are net-linked and marked on computers, even at company level, let alone at battalion-regiment level.

Thus, even a company sergeant in a Humvee, BMP, or T-64 can see on the screen where his own are and where the others are, and he doesn't care what marks are on the armor.

If this is case, then that's very bad news, since that's a qualitatively new level of troop control, and our retreat would be a consequence of losing parity.


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To: marcusmaximus

Russia is used to fighting wars in winter and Ukraine is stick with Western equipment that doesn’t perform as well.


101 posted on 10/04/2022 5:01:16 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: marcusmaximus
And, how many more Ukrainians lost their lives taking back an area of no strategic importance?
102 posted on 10/04/2022 5:03:38 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You are on the same side as Soros, Brandon, Gates, Schwab and the rest of the Great Reset psychos who want you dead. You deserve everything they have planned for you.

If the "same side" means being against murdering children, raping and torturing teenagers, and yanking the gold fillings out of the villagers mouths then I don't mind that. Most of us can oppose fools like Biden without joining up with evil tyrants.

Think about the agony suffered by the people who lost those crowns and fillings to Russian torturers.


103 posted on 10/04/2022 6:55:55 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Kazan
Western inventories to re-supply Ukraine dry up

It seems to be a common misconception of Russians to think that the West has anywhere near the limitations that the Russian economy has.

The entire GDP of Russia is about the size of the GDP of California or Italy.

104 posted on 10/04/2022 6:59:10 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Perhaps the fleeing Russians in the Kherson area will be luckier than their comrades in Donetsk. The "retreating" Russians who were in the cars, and the bus, and the truck don't seem to have fared so well. They were gracious enough to leave some ammunition behind.
105 posted on 10/04/2022 7:05:45 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
Russia has a bigger surplus to its treasury this year than it did last year despite the war.

It's us and NATO that don't have the manufacturing capabilities of the Russians.

106 posted on 10/04/2022 8:51:53 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: walkingdead
Wow that is an amazing stat. Makes one appreciate even more the logistical side of WWII doesn’t it!

Rick Atkinson’s trilogy of books on the US Army in WW2 talks about this at length. For D-Day, logistical planning went down to how many typewriters they would need for typing up reports on day 1, and where they were packed in the ship to get them offloaded when they were needed. Americans are really good at organization.

107 posted on 10/05/2022 9:34:33 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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